Someone say RWD? 56k deez nuts

Fabritory · Post by **Fabritory** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:41 pm

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Fabritory · Post by **Fabritory** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:48 pm

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Fabritory · Post by **Fabritory** » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:52 pm

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screemin eagle · Post by **screemin eagle** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:08 am

nice can we get some pics of the whole car please?

Fabritory · Post by **Fabritory** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:34 am

yerah im lunch now when i get oput ill drop more pics

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:27 pm

You better believe I'm going to make you come down and help me one of these days. Damn. Oh yeah. Where did you get those cam gears? I have 1 just like that. Have been looking for another for a while.

Fabritory · Post by **Fabritory** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:59 pm

i dont own it belongs to a helpful resource of mine ill see if he'll join us in our reindeer games

Fabritory · Post by **Fabritory** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:50 pm

http://www.eagletalon.net

NOT MY CAR THATS WHY I PUT IT IN THE GENERAL FORUM

fc3sbob · Post by **fc3sbob** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:00 am

I would freaking LOVE to see what you did with the engine cradle and steering rack. Any pics of that? It would be greatly appreciated

skizzo · Post by **skizzo** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:21 pm

Hi guys,

This is my car and my project, something I've been working on for a
couple of years now doing all the fab with a good friend of mine. I found this thread from an email that was sent to me and I'd like to say thanks for the compliments, although I wish all the full resolution pictures hadn't been linked to my server using up my bandwidth. There are other versions in my picture galleries on my site for a reason. It might have been nice for some credit to be given too with the pictures. I'm not sure how I'm "a resource", since I will and have answered any questions that people have about my Talon, but if you want to really see hundreds of pics of the car in extreme detail, along with writeups about all the blood, sweat, and tears my friend Mark Hessler and I put into it, all available to the general public, please go visit it at its rightful home at eagletalon.net.

Thanks.

screemin eagle: Here are some other pictures of the car, although now it has a different hood on it

fc3sbob: The engine was mounted by making an set of engine mounts, and welding them to the framerails. Then, we took a set of aluminum mounts, and welded them to the motor plate. You can see pictures of most of that here.
After we had that stuff all built, the engine bolted right into the car. We also added a bar across the front of the engine, that bolts to the factory framerails. The engine is solidly mounted; no big deal since it's a drag car.

The rack was mounted to a completely custom one-off subframe that we made up. The rack mounts where the factory sump would have been on the stock engine, but we've replaced the oilpan with a new one that we built to put the sump under cylinders 3 and 4.

jeffball610 · Post by **jeffball610** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:02 pm

It'd be awesome to see the actuall sump. Alot of us have concerns using the stock oil pan and sump on RWD applications. When are you going to be ready to lay down some times at the track? Awesome work!

Fabritory · Post by **Fabritory** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:06 pm

skizzo wrote:Hi guys,

I found this thread from an email that was sent to me and I'd like to say thanks for the compliments, although I wish all the full resolution pictures hadn't been linked to my server using up my bandwidth. There are other versions in my picture galleries on my site for a reason. It might have been nice for some credit to be given too with the pictures. I'm not sure how I'm "a resource", since I will and have answered any questions that people have about my Talon, but if you want to really see hundreds of pics of the car in extreme detail, along with writeups about all the blood, sweat, and tears my friend Mark Hessler and I put into it, all available to the general public, please go visit it at its rightful home at eagletalon.net.

I sent the email ......I apologize for the pics.......I never took any credit for your work i linked the site right to your main page and I linked you right here to interact with the members here everyone whos been here should know I have a starion.....your set-up sparked more than a few good ideas for my car so yeah I consider it a resource ....sorry if i affended you an any way ...pics removed

skizzo · Post by **skizzo** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:28 pm

Fabritory wrote:I sent the email ......I apologize for the pics.......I never took any credit for your work i linked the site right to your main page and I linked you right here to interact with the members here everyone whos been here should know I have a starion.....your set-up sparked more than a few good ideas for my car so yeah I consider it a resource ....sorry if i affended you an any way ...pics removed

You didn't have to kill them all; you could have replaced them with more appropriately-size versions. Linking to ten or twelve 200K+ images really does add up to a topic that loads ~2 megs of data, which, as you know, will easily kill a 56K connection (and cause a lot of unnecessary bandwidth use on a server.)

Like I said, I appreciate that you guys like the car - There aren't very many places that other people actually *get* what I'm doing. The time, energy, and level of build is very hard to describe to people who haven't gone through it or aren't actually going through it. So, finding thing place, where other people have also done 4G63 builds (or swaps, as looks to be the case) is a good connection - thank you for that

As for good ideas: What have you thought up after looking at my build? I'm interested in hearing about it. I have a few people email me here and there, and I'm always interested. Do you have any pictures of your project?

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:34 pm

Nice to see the owner of this car posting here. Amazing work! I'll spend most of tomorrow looking at your site, I'm sure!

Fabritory · Post by **Fabritory** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:57 pm

I got the idea of a electric water pump hidden under the intake manifold,tubular sub frame,intercooler/radiator positioning... i really like the CAD images their a good visual aid...my pics where lost in the great computer crash of 05"

skizzo · Post by **skizzo** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:46 pm

jeffball610 wrote:It'd be awesome to see the actuall sump.

Oddly enough, I don't have any pictures of the sump pickup, but you can see pictures of the oilpan in that link I posted.

The sump pickup was relatively easy. I took some measurements on the stock sump pickup tubing, and ordered up some mild steel bends of the appropriate size from Woolf aircraft. I then used a stock oil pickup, chopped it up and welded the tubing all together. I had to make a flange to bolt to the oil pump, but that was no big deal. I actually have to make some modifications to it because I only made one brace for it, and ideally I want two.

There was some concern from a knowledgable friend about oil cavitation with cold oil (~30 degree temps,) but since the car sees limited use, and won't be driven in the winter, it shouldn't be a big deal.

As far as the stock pan goes, the baffling does an excellent job of keeping oil where it should be (in the sump) - you guys launching is just like a DSM making a hard left hand corner. I moved the sump on my setup so that I could put the steering rack right where the old sump was, for optimal steering geometry.

Fabritory wrote:I got the idea of a electric water pump hidden under the intake manifold,tubular sub frame,intercooler/radiator positioning... i really like the CAD images their a good visual aid...my pics where lost in the great computer crash of 05"

I was also going to originally mount the water pump under the intake manifold. The CSR pump I have has two inlets, and two outlets - if I ever had to fill the block, i was going to have one outlet go to each side of the head. Chances are, at that level, I'll want to sink as much heat out of the head as I can, so this setup would allow me to cool it more evenly.

The CAD images are great visually, and from a fabrication standpoint. The header itself was CAD modeled to within .010" of equal length, and because we knew each and every angle, it made it much easier to produce the header. Sure, we spent our time, and did it right, but we also put a lot of effort into the model, which helped us without a doubt

With any luck, the car will be out making passes in spring of 2007.

blue_crush · Post by **blue_crush** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:28 pm

ever thought of making any more headers since you already have the model and 1rst one made? I would be interested if the price were right.
Sweet set up on the IC

skizzo · Post by **skizzo** » Fri Sep 22, 2006 2:29 pm

blue_crush wrote:ever thought of making any more headers since you already have the model and 1rst one made? I would be interested if the price were right.

I've been asked this on more than one occasion. Unfortunately, my time is very important to me, which would make the price of the header more than what most people would want to spend. I also don't do this for a living - this is a hobby of mine, and so I would probably be awful at getting headers out the door for people waiting for them. Because of those things, I don't really want to make these for other people. As an added bonus, for me, I'm the only one who has one

Seriously though - there are already guys out there in the DSM community who make manifolds that're reasonably priced, and will work well on existing applications. Try Ron Shearer at http://www.shearerfab.com or Marco at http://www.magnusmotorsports.com - they both have a long standing history in the community, and make some seriously nice manifolds.