EVO R 154 trans

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:33 pm

this is the work towards the R 154 to the EVO using a second gen flywheel

cali · Post by **cali** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:17 pm

nice bill...looks like it wont be too dificult to make the changes.

jeffball610 · Post by **jeffball610** » Wed May 13, 2009 12:52 am

Yep. Looks like only minor changes to make this work. I guess since your first piece is so good, why change it?

"If it ain't broke..."

(someone will chime in with "...hot rod it" or something like that)

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Tue May 19, 2009 4:49 pm

Looking good Bill.

Is your plan to have a single casting that will fit both the Evo and non-Evo blocks?

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Tue May 19, 2009 11:50 pm

yep, its gonna use either the AWD or the FWD flywheel either 7 bolt or 6 bolt with the Mits starter, the starter will be located in the same place as the FWD 4g63, this bellhousing will fit the 4G63 narrow block first and second gen , the 4G64 narrow block plus the EVO 4 through 9 and will adapt to the R 154

I aint done

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Wed May 20, 2009 5:40 am

Bill Hincher wrote:the starter will be located in the same place as the FWD 4g63,

Is this likely to cause and trouble with being close to the exhaust manifold?

ramon · Post by **ramon** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:06 am

jezz_s13 wrote:
Bill Hincher wrote:the starter will be located in the same place as the FWD 4g63,
Is this likely to cause and trouble with being close to the exhaust manifold?

Is now problem at all jezz.

Bill excelent job

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Wed May 20, 2009 10:30 am

the starter is located under the intake manifold not the exhaust manifold. so is the hydralic slave cylinder, so you can route the exhaust and not be too close to the heat

my only concern is, the AWD starter has to be 5 mm closer to the block, IF the EVO has any obstruction on the block that MAY obstruct strater installation, I MAY have to move starter location to a higher AWD location

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Wed May 20, 2009 10:45 am

Ah right cool.

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:47 am

How have you been getting on with this Bill?

I've just taken delivery of my R154 after having a reworked 1st gear thrust washer installed, and am excited.

bmwe30turbo4g63 · Post by **bmwe30turbo4g63** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 3:43 am

hi jas from Australia here.

i purchased one of bills r154 first generation bell housings.

what can i say its fits excellent .

saved me a lot of mucking around and money.

anyone that doubts these bellhousings DONT.

because they are great.

Thanks bill

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:22 pm

your very kind, Ian

thank you

77amc · Post by **77amc** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:49 am

But what about the Evo motor rotating backwards from the usual 4g63??

ONLY KIDDING GUYS.. E

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:34 pm

Has there been any progress on this, and an expected ETA, Bill?

I've just killed my engine

so the Evo swap has escalated up the priority list somewhat.

Thanks,
Jezz.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 10:11 pm

I promised a T56 bellhousing to Matt Arruda and I will be finishing his stuff out right now, I will finish the EVO pattern and get it into the casting shop by Friday,I am changing a few details because I am having an 'investment cast ' done which is a permantent mold so I could get it done in 2 or 3 weeks depending on how fast the casting shop does its job

the work is soooooooooooooooooooo tedious and attention to detail soaks up sooooooooooooooo much time, I just dont realize how long it all takes

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:35 am

Bill Hincher wrote:I promised a T56 bellhousing to Matt Arruda and I will be finishing his stuff out right now, I will finish the EVO pattern and get it into the casting shop by Friday,I am changing a few details because I am having an 'investment cast ' done which is a permantent mold so I could get it done in 2 or 3 weeks depending on how fast the casting shop does its job

the work is soooooooooooooooooooo tedious and attention to detail soaks up sooooooooooooooo much time, I just dont realize how long it all takes

Yes, it looks terribly tedious.

It would be brilliant if you could get them done within a month or so.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:39 am

I needed a little prodding,
I put it down for a while ( I dont know exactly why) but I tend to make an inprovement and then just 'look' at it and then compare other stuff and then think about the wieght involved and the strength required with all the forces working on the peice, then finish it out

its kind of like making chess moves

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 7:14 am

Bill Hincher wrote:I needed a little prodding,

Prodding I can do.

Bill Hincher wrote: its kind of like making chess moves

A good game of chess shouldn't be rushed, this allows you to consider all moves.

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:18 am

Morning Bill, it's weekly prod time.

Any updates?

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:56 am

I am on schedule to send it to the casting shp next week I am sorry I cant post pic's it seems my web host is not working properly

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:24 am

Bill Hincher wrote:I am on schedule to send it to the casting shp next week I am sorry I cant post pic's it seems my web host is not working properly

Excellent, thanks for the update.

OLDIE · Post by **OLDIE** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:52 pm

Hi Bill it's great that we all have someone like you who is prepared to do the painstaking development work for all of us
Your blood should be bottled

Regards from down under
Rad

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:40 pm

there was an old man at the edge of a mountian digging with a shovel, a young man came along and asked the old man, what are you doing?, the old man looked down at the boy and said ' I am moving the mountian'

The young man looked at this strange old man and retorted 'ridiculous! he replied, 'you can't finish moving that mountian with a shovel in your lifetime!'

I know, the old man said, 'You will have to do that '!

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:53 pm

Bill Hincher wrote:there was an old man at the edge of a mountian digging with a shovel, a young man came along and asked the old man, what are you doing?, the old man looked down at the boy and said ' I am moving the mountian'

The young man looked at this strange old man and retorted 'ridiculous! he replied, 'you can't finish moving that mountian with a shovel in your lifetime!'

I know, the old man said, 'You will have to do that '!

This here mountain, is there much left to move?

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:13 pm

the EVO bolt pattern has been installed in the R 154 bellhousing and it is in the casting shop

I changed the roof of the housing to lighten up the casting and allow the hot air to flow faster

I eliminated a couple of gussets to allow an easier draft in casting and I lowered the existing gussets to a smaller profile

just a touch of detail, I added a vent in the lower case to get rid of any collected fluids

now its just waiting for the casting shop

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:29 am

That's brilliant Bill.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 12:52 pm

It was long and hard on me ,jezz............kinda like 3rd grade

when I deliver this to you , could you direct me to some museums there?

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:00 pm

Bill Hincher wrote:It was long and hard on me ,jezz............kinda like 3rd grade
when I deliver this to you , could you direct me to some museums there?

When are you coming over?
Tried to go to a museum the other day, couldn't get in as everyone else decided to go the day i went.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:44 am

the EVO housings are in

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:28 am

Lovely!

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:26 pm

Is there any update on these, Bill?

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:12 pm

everything is fine and i built a Wx series form my friend, Thao,in new zealand but the exhaust manifold is on the opposite side on the EVO and the steering is on the right side of the car not the left side
I cant put the starter down low like it was on the EVO because it will be into the steering linkage, I cant place it on the other side of the engine because the bellhousing bolts are in the way, the only place to put the starter is in the upper left hand side, the only way to make it work is to change the exaust manifold with a custom header set up

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:58 am

I expect my car wil be the same setup at Thao's, both UK and NZ are RHD.
The exhaust manifold isn't too much of an issue as it will be a custom anyway.

Out of interest, can you get pictures of Thao's?

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:04 am

sorry about the delay, I been getting ready for winter, this is an original W 55/59 toyota non turbo bellhousing that has been retrofitted from the 4G63 unit to the EVO bolt pattern, using a second gen 7 bolt AWD flywheel and starter

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:04 am

Looking good.

How long is it likely to be before you can get one of the new castings machined?

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:52 am

I have almost everything else done, so i will cut one today and tomorow and take some pics

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:54 am

Excellent, thanks.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:34 pm

this is the new EVO version of the r 154, i havent been able to cut the backyet because i am just toooooooooooo busy >;o) but it looks real good

check out how nice the pivot ball centered this time

this is a good pattern, I will be having the investment cast made from this pattern

92 GSR-4 · Post by **92 GSR-4** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:02 am

That's shit-hot.

Pretty soon we're going to see RWD cars powered by EVO 4G63's

An interesting Idea because that motor is backwards. I bet there's alot of cars out there that would be a lot easier using the EVO style motor as compared to the DSM style.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:27 am

I donno man,
the exhaust is on the drivers side when using the EVO, thats backwards of all designs

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:10 am

Nice, the prospect of getting the housing is making me salivate.

The exhaust must be a bit of a bind with LHD cars, thought certainly needs to be put in to avoid the steering components etc. But CAs/SRs/KAs/RBs etc are all 'backwards' and people use them.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:36 pm

this one has your name on it Jezz, you owe me a visit/trip to the museums in London someday

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Tue Sep 08, 2009 7:45 am

Funnily enough, I spent last weekend in London doing that kind of thing; though art gallaries.
It's a funny old place london.

When are you coming over?
I fancy a visit to the science and natural history museums.

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:13 pm

Any update on this bill?

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:22 am

yeah, its all set, I just been working on the wide block r 154, I will post pics tonight or tomorow

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:11 pm

there you go Jezz MAN, its got your name on it, I built three of these bad bouyz here is a completed r 154 mated to the EVO 4g63 using the second gen AWD flywheel

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:11 am

That looks the business, Bill.

When will you be able ship it?

Is the 'shit guard' included in the kit?
I'll mail you about payment, and I think I have some other questions about bits etc.

Performance Autoworks · Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:13 pm

Bill Hincher wrote:this is the new EVO version of the r 154, i havent been able to cut the backyet because i am just toooooooooooo busy >;o) but it looks real good

check out how nice the pivot ball centered this time

this is a good pattern, I will be having the investment cast made from this pattern

Hi Bill

Glad I have found you on here, seems you maybe the answer to my I need for my LT build. I'm very interested in the EVO to R154 bell that your producing, are you planning any other box config with the evo engine?
Would you be willing to ship to the UK and if you could mail me a price it would be appriciated.

Regards
Simon

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:25 pm

yes, i will be adding my T 56 and my W series bellhousings in the EVO bolt pattern but they will all use the second gen AWD flywheel and convert to the push style clutch

i have shipped all over the world, it wont be much over $ 100.00 USd to ship there, I just use US postal services

Performance Autoworks · Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:29 pm

Bill Hincher wrote:yes, i will be adding my T 56 and my W series bellhousings in the EVO bolt pattern but they will all use the second gen AWD flywheel and convert to the push style clutch

i have shipped all over the world, it wont be much over $ 100.00 USd to ship there, I just use US postal services

Just been looking at the R154 option as I know the stock transmision will suffer over 300hp. What is the cost of the bell housing?

Regards
Simon