DSMlink, AEM, TEC2,3 , Autronic
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DJpowerHaus
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I'm looking for contributers to search and find feature lists, comaprisons, and mainly... prices for the WHOLE working EFI setup ("DSMLink for 1G: $595 + 1G Eprom ECU: $200 + GM MAF: $5-50 + Translator: $250"... not just "DSMLINK: $595") You dont need to include things that are even accross the board, unless its something the ECU choice would requrie you to change (AEM needs a 2G knock sensor I think). So dont include injectors, temp sensors.. stuff like that.
Getting the engine bolted in is about 10% of the way there.
The next 80% can go quickly with help and skill.
That last 10% takes about as long as the 90% that came before it.
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APEXi SAFC 1 or 2: $150-319
+ 1G ECU: $100+
+ 2G MAS: $60+
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$ 300ish Retain MAF, Adjustable fuel up to ~700cc injectors, capacitors, limited tuning
DSMLink for 1G: $595
+ 1G Eprom ECU: $200+
+ 3" GM MAF: $70 (used) - $150 (new)
+ Translator: $200
- DSM MAF
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$1,065
stock ecu features, no base maps, blow through, capacitors, need laptop, adjustable fuel and timing etc, details: www.dsmlink.com .
4cyl / 8cyl TEC2: $700+ (used)
+ 3 bar GM MAP: $50
+ Honda MAT: $5
+ trigger wheel: $26
+ mag sensor: $ 50
+ computer cable: modify computer serial cable
+ relays and other things: $50
- DSM coils
- DSM MAF
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$ 881
fully adjustable standalone, no base maps, no MAF, BIG coils, custom wired,
no CAS, details: www.electromotive-inc.com
AEM EMS for 1G: $1,350 (msrp)
+ 3bar GM MAP: $50
+ 2G Knock Sensor: $69 (OEM new)
- DSM MAF
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$1,469
fully adjustable standalone, plugs in, base maps, no MAF, stock coils,
retains CAS, uses knock sensor, need laptop, "accepted by DSMers".
Autronic SMC: $1,875
comes with sensors, wires, relays
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$1,875
Very nice ECU, Australian, Anti-lag, details: www.autronic.com
Autronic SM2: $2,150+
comes with sensors and stuff
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$2,150
very very nice ECU, Austrialian, Anti-lag, traction control, launch control, details: www.autronic.com
Most of this was from ebay, some retail sites, some manufactuers. If you have any better info, tell me and I'll update "the master list"
+ 1G ECU: $100+
+ 2G MAS: $60+
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$ 300ish Retain MAF, Adjustable fuel up to ~700cc injectors, capacitors, limited tuning
DSMLink for 1G: $595
+ 1G Eprom ECU: $200+
+ 3" GM MAF: $70 (used) - $150 (new)
+ Translator: $200
- DSM MAF
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$1,065
stock ecu features, no base maps, blow through, capacitors, need laptop, adjustable fuel and timing etc, details: www.dsmlink.com .
4cyl / 8cyl TEC2: $700+ (used)
+ 3 bar GM MAP: $50
+ Honda MAT: $5
+ trigger wheel: $26
+ mag sensor: $ 50
+ computer cable: modify computer serial cable
+ relays and other things: $50
- DSM coils
- DSM MAF
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$ 881
fully adjustable standalone, no base maps, no MAF, BIG coils, custom wired,
no CAS, details: www.electromotive-inc.com
AEM EMS for 1G: $1,350 (msrp)
+ 3bar GM MAP: $50
+ 2G Knock Sensor: $69 (OEM new)
- DSM MAF
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$1,469
fully adjustable standalone, plugs in, base maps, no MAF, stock coils,
retains CAS, uses knock sensor, need laptop, "accepted by DSMers".
Autronic SMC: $1,875
comes with sensors, wires, relays
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$1,875
Very nice ECU, Australian, Anti-lag, details: www.autronic.com
Autronic SM2: $2,150+
comes with sensors and stuff
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$2,150
very very nice ECU, Austrialian, Anti-lag, traction control, launch control, details: www.autronic.com
Most of this was from ebay, some retail sites, some manufactuers. If you have any better info, tell me and I'll update "the master list"
Getting the engine bolted in is about 10% of the way there.
The next 80% can go quickly with help and skill.
That last 10% takes about as long as the 90% that came before it.
I was going to go with:
Old TMO RWD chip (free) and my ’94 ECU (Worth ~$250). But I really do not want to use a MAS (carryover habit from the old VPC days). So then I would have to get ether VPC or MAF translator.
I finally gave-up and decided to go with a used AEM EMS. You can find them used for around $1000 (bare in mind that they were $1000 when they first came out, so those people tend to sell them cheaper).
The problem with AEM is that you really do need to know how to use it, or have a friend(s) who can help you.
BTW DSM Link is now $550 ($50 price reduction). But sales of 1G version have been suspended pending resolution of a certain software bug...
Old TMO RWD chip (free) and my ’94 ECU (Worth ~$250). But I really do not want to use a MAS (carryover habit from the old VPC days). So then I would have to get ether VPC or MAF translator.
I finally gave-up and decided to go with a used AEM EMS. You can find them used for around $1000 (bare in mind that they were $1000 when they first came out, so those people tend to sell them cheaper).
The problem with AEM is that you really do need to know how to use it, or have a friend(s) who can help you.
BTW DSM Link is now $550 ($50 price reduction). But sales of 1G version have been suspended pending resolution of a certain software bug...
Leon Reitman
'96 Spyder GST
'93 Summit Wagon AWD (4G63 swap)
'80 Triumph TR7 Spyder GST (4G63 swap)
'96 Spyder GST
'93 Summit Wagon AWD (4G63 swap)
'80 Triumph TR7 Spyder GST (4G63 swap)
<!--QuoteBegin-GRNDSM+Mar 17 2005, 08:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (GRNDSM @ Mar 17 2005, 08:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I was going to go with:
Old TMO RWD chip (free) and my ’94 ECU (Worth ~$250). But I really do not want to use a MAS (carryover habit from the old VPC days). So then I would have to get ether VPC or MAF translator.
I finally gave-up and decided to go with a used AEM EMS. You can find them used for around $1000 (bare in mind that they were $1000 when they first came out, so those people tend to sell them cheaper).
The problem with AEM is that you really do need to know how to use it, or have a friend(s) who can help you.
BTW DSM Link is now $550 ($50 price reduction). But sales of 1G version have been suspended pending resolution of a certain software bug... [/quote]
leon, what exactly is the difference with that RWD chip? thanks.
Old TMO RWD chip (free) and my ’94 ECU (Worth ~$250). But I really do not want to use a MAS (carryover habit from the old VPC days). So then I would have to get ether VPC or MAF translator.
I finally gave-up and decided to go with a used AEM EMS. You can find them used for around $1000 (bare in mind that they were $1000 when they first came out, so those people tend to sell them cheaper).
The problem with AEM is that you really do need to know how to use it, or have a friend(s) who can help you.
BTW DSM Link is now $550 ($50 price reduction). But sales of 1G version have been suspended pending resolution of a certain software bug... [/quote]
leon, what exactly is the difference with that RWD chip? thanks.
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DJpowerHaus
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im really leaning towards MegaSquirt.. now i dont know what ppl know and think about this system but, my freind on his 28zxt datsun just installed his megasquirt...he built the unit and bought the wiring harness all for around 260...its an amazing system and i think more people should look into it..his system have full control of everything through his laptop... ignition fuel knock everything 
kinda jealous of it so ya check it out... i think its <a href='http://www.megasquirt.info/' target='_blank'>MegaSquirt</a>
kinda jealous of it so ya check it out... i think its <a href='http://www.megasquirt.info/' target='_blank'>MegaSquirt</a> -
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We've heard of that one, Young Gun. It's pretty neat but it has deficiencies if you ask me. mainly if you use EDIS w/high rpms and high boost... I dont think it'll work so well. I could be wrong though.. Give us a full report by this time next week.
Getting the engine bolted in is about 10% of the way there.
The next 80% can go quickly with help and skill.
That last 10% takes about as long as the 90% that came before it.
MEGASQUIRT~!
if you are still wondering about the mega squirt ecu...my buddy is in town with his datsun...umm give me some questions and ill ask em about it...hes very knowlegdable about so ask away...
oh he told me a funny story he took his car to some ricer hang out lol near Purdue University and all the guys who saw his stand alone comp. were doing that OHHHH face LMAO
like in the first fast and the furious when vin deisel is looking under the hood of 'brians' car.
anyways yeah ask me some specific questions if you guys are wondering about it...
if you are still wondering about the mega squirt ecu...my buddy is in town with his datsun...umm give me some questions and ill ask em about it...hes very knowlegdable about so ask away...
oh he told me a funny story he took his car to some ricer hang out lol near Purdue University and all the guys who saw his stand alone comp. were doing that OHHHH face LMAO
like in the first fast and the furious when vin deisel is looking under the hood of 'brians' car. anyways yeah ask me some specific questions if you guys are wondering about it...
i was looking at the megasquirt site and found some more info
they have an upgraded version called megasquirt II
and soon to come megasquirt ULTRA
anyways i found a pic of how the II works...
heres the link for more info... <a href='http://www.megasquirt.info/ms2/' target='_blank'>http://www.megasquirt.info/ms2/</a>
the question is...could this work with dsm engines?
they have an upgraded version called megasquirt II
and soon to come megasquirt ULTRA
anyways i found a pic of how the II works...
heres the link for more info... <a href='http://www.megasquirt.info/ms2/' target='_blank'>http://www.megasquirt.info/ms2/</a>
the question is...could this work with dsm engines?
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i have found this one very user5 freindly. http://www.wolfems.com.au/home
Fuel Injection pro http://www.fuelinjectionpro.com/
*Fuel Controler: "We have just what you need our FC-PRO-4 kit. We program it so it will be ready to run. Just tell us you injector size ,type, and any other mods to your engine. Includes: * FC-1 fuel injection controller. This is programmed ready to go, but changes can be made with software or optional hand held TD-1(tuner display). * Wiring harness made for the Conquest. * Water temp sensor. * Air temp sensor. * Standard map sensor (good to 20 psi). * TPS sensor. * Instructions. Price $495.00 If you have the stock ignition system you will also need the IAM-1 also. (not needed with MSD 6AL,BTM)"
These guy said that this system will work with the 4g63!!
*Fuel Controler: "We have just what you need our FC-PRO-4 kit. We program it so it will be ready to run. Just tell us you injector size ,type, and any other mods to your engine. Includes: * FC-1 fuel injection controller. This is programmed ready to go, but changes can be made with software or optional hand held TD-1(tuner display). * Wiring harness made for the Conquest. * Water temp sensor. * Air temp sensor. * Standard map sensor (good to 20 psi). * TPS sensor. * Instructions. Price $495.00 If you have the stock ignition system you will also need the IAM-1 also. (not needed with MSD 6AL,BTM)"
These guy said that this system will work with the 4g63!!
There is always someone faster!!!
so is this a stand alone? if not youd still have problems with fuel cut and rev limit. if i was going to pay that much money then id want dsmlink. id pay the extra $200 to find an eprom ecu. the only standalone that looks good to me besides the AEM is the haltech. bu thats too pricy and too complicated for me. id rather do a simple 16g, 550 inj., AFC car than screw around with all that shit.Siance wrote:Fuel Injection pro http://www.fuelinjectionpro.com/
*Fuel Controler: "We have just what you need our FC-PRO-4 kit. We program it so it will be ready to run. Just tell us you injector size ,type, and any other mods to your engine. Includes: * FC-1 fuel injection controller. This is programmed ready to go, but changes can be made with software or optional hand held TD-1(tuner display). * Wiring harness made for the Conquest. * Water temp sensor. * Air temp sensor. * Standard map sensor (good to 20 psi). * TPS sensor. * Instructions. Price $495.00 If you have the stock ignition system you will also need the IAM-1 also. (not needed with MSD 6AL,BTM)"
These guy said that this system will work with the 4g63!!
I'm definitely putting together a megasquirt (using the msns-e code) for my e30/4g63, but then again, I've built one for a lancer evo 8 so this will be easy. The first and even second time building one it can get very frustrating when it comes to implementing it in your car.
I plan to run the stock ignitors/coil packs, but may upgrade to COP down the road. I also plan to do anti-lag (using beta code some guy created), water cooling for the intercooler, launch control (probably end up using this in place of the antilag, who knows), electronic boost control, and whatever else comes up.
Might as well go ahead and make the project even more nutty by building the efi system.
If anyone else is doing a m/s for their 4g63 let me know if you need any help... I might have answers.
I plan to run the stock ignitors/coil packs, but may upgrade to COP down the road. I also plan to do anti-lag (using beta code some guy created), water cooling for the intercooler, launch control (probably end up using this in place of the antilag, who knows), electronic boost control, and whatever else comes up.
Might as well go ahead and make the project even more nutty by building the efi system.
If anyone else is doing a m/s for their 4g63 let me know if you need any help... I might have answers.