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cam sensor eliminatoin

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http://www.kigglyracing.com/parts/cranktrigger.htm

this with a 95-96 head and cam sensor setu up and no cas by the fire wall
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Pretty cool. Does it allow you to adjust your ignition timing at all?
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Very interesting, I will have to see if that 2g head I have has the sensor on it.
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jeffball610 wrote:Pretty cool. Does it allow you to adjust your ignition timing at all?
No, you would be stuck with the factory base timing. I am wondering if this(both cam and crank) would be in phase with the 1g ecu and not cause any funky issues? Technically, it should work fine with the only drawback being the fixed timing, which isn't a big deal while running some sort of program that allows you to change timing.
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Sweet part. That's pretty much exactly what I was making out at Bill's last week.
http://projectzerog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=978
I never did finish mine though. $210 is a bit high in my opinion, but whatever.

So does what signal does that produce? The trigger wheel looks pretty simple with 2 teeth. It doesn't look like it can produce the same signals as the CAS:

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Nice part though. Anyone know what that tiny sensor is from?
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Mike, that is only one of two sensors on a 2g, the other one is on the intake cam gear. The 1g cas has both of these integrated into one.

Btw, are you making a mirror image of the disk to run the cas backwards?
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jeffball610 wrote:Pretty cool. Does it allow you to adjust your ignition timing at all?
Why should that matter? By now, everyone should be using DSM Link or some other engine management system to take care of timing ;).
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And do you not get a "base" setting by a verture of installing it? :?:

I am pretty sure he was talking about adjusting it as means of tuning...
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So this moves the crank trigger signal from the CAS to the front of the block, but you still need to use a CAS or timing gear on the cam for the other signal?

So this is for using a 1G block with a 2G head? Do the 1G heads have provisions for the cam pickup?

Any clue where to get the pickup that's in that part? I could make that bracket for next to nothing if we can source a sensor.
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No, 1G heads do not have such provision. In the mid to late 90's, people used to install 1G heads on 2G fairly often. This was before RRE/Magnus (I forget who was first), came out with a way to wire-in 1G CAS. Anyway, they had to weld in bosses in 1G heads for 2G CAS.
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I wonder if we could make a plate that bolts in behind the cam gears to hold the cam angle sensor in place? The angle is extremely critical though as this is the signal to fire the injectors iirc.

Somthing like magnus' back plate on their mechanical pump drive:

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I like their coupler:

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Post by screemin eagle »

in stead of the cam gear 95-96 sensor type you can also go the 97-99 cam sensor witch goes in the the same place as the 1g cas but it is much smaller and there is no adjustmend to it. the onlything you have to do is drill and tap the end of the cam. they are also smaller so no need to adjust the firewall
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Post by Burabuda »

this issue is critical with some of the old colt installs where the rear cas protrudes about 1" into the firewall
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screemin eagle wrote:in stead of the cam gear 95-96 sensor type you can also go the 97-99 cam sensor witch goes in the the same place as the 1g cas but it is much smaller and there is no adjustmend to it. the onlything you have to do is drill and tap the end of the cam. they are also smaller so no need to adjust the firewall
I dont really think there that much smaller when it comes to the amount the sensor sticks out from the head. They are at least a Hall Effect sensor.
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