Picture time!

underdog · Post by **underdog** » Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:13 pm

Hello All,

Here are some pictures of the car all together! I hope to have some videos soon also. The pictures are under the "cars" section of my Website. Let me know what you think.

<a href='http://www.gailandtom.com' target='_blank'>http://www.gailandtom.com</a>

underdog · Post by **underdog** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:29 am

It is a GM/TCI Powerglide 2 speed automatic drag racing transmission. Actually, Buschur Racing's adapter plate allows you to adapt ANY General Motors bellhousing to a 4G63. That means with a little ingenuity you could hook up a 4 speed auto (700R4 or the like) or a T-5 5 speed. There are many options with that adapter plate.

I was shocked at how much fun the two speed is on the street though!

AbsurdParadox · Post by **AbsurdParadox** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 2:40 pm

Gotta love those pics! And I wasn't aware the adapter plate fit any GM bellhousing! Thats very good to know! I still haven't decided on the tranny yet!

AbsurdParadox · Post by **AbsurdParadox** » Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:40 pm

Oh and I forgot... what kind of times are you shooting for?

underdog · Post by **underdog** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 12:09 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (89onaquest @ Jun 9 2004, 04:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> do I even want to know how much they charged for it? [/quote]
That transmission was $1200 from Jegs. They can be had for as little as $500 depending on the strength and features you need.

WickedTSI · Post by **WickedTSI** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:31 pm

what are the siize of the wheels/tires? looks good, cant wait to see some #s B)

homeless · Post by **homeless** » Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:41 pm

underdog, i understand that for you almost pure drag purpose ( i have been following your stuff since hte turbo mirrage), a powerglide is the way to go.

however as a point for most others out here the hybrid transmission should be quite capable of supporting most applications, if you use a reliable tranny builder and do the proper setup.

i personnaly wouldnt mind running an m-6 or 4l60e because i am not too sure of the gear ratios available for the hybrid while there are enough out the current GM that it would allow for growth potential.

i have yet to make a personal decision because i still need the gear ratios for the d-50 and starion transmissions.

hell transmissions are usually the biggest down fall in modern cars when if comes to drag. in my awd talon i am shifting into 4th when i can see the 1/4 mark! the fact is that i need to switch to an auto trans that is truely the best option, because a computer can and will always shift the same way every time and the correct points.

any way what i was getting at was... how much was the adapter plate?

AbsurdParadox · Post by **AbsurdParadox** » Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:32 am

I e-mailed Buschur abuot the adapter plate... they didn't give me a price, but they did say its only for Automatic GM transmissions.

underdog · Post by **underdog** » Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:46 am

The adapter plate is in the $500 range. That is very well priced given the quality of workmanship and materials used.

homeless · Post by **homeless** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:25 am

first of all, duplication of buschur's adapter plate is steeling. furthermore its steeling from a long time member of the dsm community. while he is not my prefered source for information and parts i do have great respect from him.

Technology theft hurts businesses and customers. When someone works hard on a product, when the shell out the capitol to develope and research it from first draft to production copy they deserve allitle gratitute, because that means that you will have a higher quality part that fits better. If you want the part then you have two choices; cowboy up and pay for a proven part, or tell your machinest what you want and leave him a block and a tranny to go from and you might end up with something decent, you might end up with a huge bill and a "sorry can't be done" . Moreover when one steels a part design they are often tempted to change it when they may not fully understand all the choices the origional designer made. this can cause parts to become dangerous or sub-par.

allright 89onaquest, what the hell were you thinking? "Whoever has one of these, needs to take them to a machine shop and have them duplicated and sell for cheap just got to be about it..." did you not see the huge buschur banner on the side of the car?

AbsurdParadox · Post by **AbsurdParadox** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:28 pm

Awesome, the forum's first flame war!

homeless · Post by **homeless** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:40 pm

First off lets get all the personal attacks out of the way. if you want to point out my short comings in grammer spelling or sementics, keep in mind that i am just an iron worker not and english major. i know how to work metal, how to fabricate, and how to use machines, so you must forgive me if my linguistics are a litte rusty.

I honestly believe that $500 is a bit stiff, however it is not the only option. You can build your own from a bellhousing and a block, you can go with the hybrid or you can buy one of the bellhousing adapter plate setups that have been discussed on this board. make no mistake though, if you choose to take his technology; that he had designed, built, and can sell for whatever he wants; you are not some kind of "Robing Hood". If you want to help people then have yours built the legit way and charge a fair price for it.

As far as should buschur charge what he charges for it, i dont know if it is worth that to me at this juncture, however he does have every riht to charge what ever he wants. This is a capatalistic country, which means that supply/demand curves control how much everything costs. He makes the only one so he sets the value of it. i have no qualms with it. I will not bash a man for greed or selfishness, those are the only two things you can count on with humanity. You may not be trying to get rich off of products like these, but he is, this IS his job.
If you don't like buschur thats fine, i personally dont care for him myself, however you have to realize that this is his pruduct backed with his name, and yes he can charge $500 for this and people will pay it. and because they do maybe he gets to take his family out for dinner a few more times this year. he is helping people too with his pricces, the people he cares about. i can hold no blame to him for that.
i have owrked in a speed shop before, i know the percentages that are proffit. He makes much less than what most people think he makes.

I have also worked in factories and had to resign partes because the print was wrong, then see my solution with an engineers name on it when the new prints came out.

WickedTSI · Post by **WickedTSI** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:48 pm

As i see it compition is what keep the economy going, but stealing in any form, be it physical or as in an idea is wrong. I see no problem in "Lets devop our own adapter plate, mass produce and sell it". However, "lets take Bushurs work, run down to the machine shop and replicate it" is totaly diffrent. Plus as much as people like to bash larger companies, keep in mind bushur earned his from the ground up.

Joel07 · Post by **Joel07** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:13 pm

well, I don't want to get in the argument...

But if it bolts up to an auto tranny, it'll bolt up to any of the GM Chevrolet manual trannys too. They might just say auto only because of clutch, pressure plate, and input shaft issues. I'm not sure, but the bolt pattern for a chevrolet tranny is the same no matter what.... And that's big block, small block, or LT1 (the LS1's are different).

AbsurdParadox · Post by **AbsurdParadox** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:24 am

Joel,

E-mailed Buschur why they say Auto Only, and here's the reply I got:

We run the Powerglide in our cars and the other people who have done it run the Turbo400 or the powerglide.But otherwise if it is not auto then the torque converter we have and the flexplate would not work. Thanks
Jarrod

Joel07 · Post by **Joel07** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:33 am

Yeah, what you would have to do is use the Mistu flywheel and pressure plate, and try to find a GM clutch disc small enough. Then you would have to make sure that the input shaft is the right length, and if it is, you would probably have to make a pilot bushing. So basically, it would most likely not work without a different kind of adapter. It would bolt up, but I'm not too sure it would work...

alanfrompdx · Post by **alanfrompdx** » Mon Jun 21, 2004 3:37 pm

Keep me posted when they are available.