Peregrine's 73 Dodge Colt w/ 4G64 and Auto

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:09 pm

i have an ongoing thread at dsmtuners but now that im fully committed to the project im thinking this should be here more than anywhere.

first off heres a couple of pics of the car

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:11 pm

heres a few of the motor

the fuel system

just started mini tubbing it. heres some pics of the tubs.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:21 pm

the radiator and thermostat setup

buschur alternator relocator kit

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:27 pm

heres the rims. 15x5 fronts and 15x10 rears

buschur adaptor plate and flexplate for the th-350.

a shot of the gauge cluster. i used a steering column from an old eclipse. i had to do some fabbing but it was scary how close to bolting in it was. mitsus havent changed too much in the last 30 years.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:33 pm

heres some of the turbo. its a full garrett gt35 non BB with a 63 on the exhaust a/r. i may change that if it limits my goals.

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:03 pm

Wow. Looking good. What kind of buget are you working with? Looks like that thing should be capable of around 600hp or so. Very nice.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:01 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DJpowerHaus @ Aug 23 2005, 12:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Wow. Looking good. What kind of buget are you working with? Looks like that thing should be capable of around 600hp or so. Very nice. [/quote]
well, i dont really like to talk about how much money i make but my budget is around $1500-2000 a month give or take a few. my wife is really cool about letting me have my side job money for my car (i lay carpet). im just shooting for 500 to the wheels on this one as anything more will be quite out of control. ill post more pics when i get them. im expecting my JMfabrications intake manifold next week. its a short runner big plenum beauty.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:18 pm

got my motor and tranny in the car today.

Fabritory · Post by **Fabritory** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 3:33 am

Painless Wiring set-up

thats big time hardcore

saturnshadow · Post by **saturnshadow** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 1:21 pm

i got chills, thats hot. That car is going to be wicked.

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 7:22 pm

Big time hardcore is wiring it from scratch

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:47 pm

JustPaus · Post by **JustPaus** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:11 am

Oh shit, that's fresh.

What ECU are you running with?(er, going to be running with?)
That's gonna be all kinds of wicked.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:51 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JustPaus @ Aug 28 2005, 12:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Oh shit, that's fresh.

What ECU are you running with?(er, going to be running with?)
That's gonna be all kinds of wicked. [/quote]
i have a 93 eprom ecu sitting in the garage. im going with dsmlink.

rarson · Post by **rarson** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:02 am

Awesome, I love DSMLink.

Showing my ignorance here, but what year is that? Looks almost like an RX-3 to me. I love the old-school imports.

How come you forgoed the cam gears?

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:31 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rarson @ Sep 4 2005, 08:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Awesome, I love DSMLink.

Showing my ignorance here, but what year is that? Looks almost like an RX-3 to me. I love the old-school imports.

How come you forgoed the cam gears? [/quote]
its a 73 dodge colt aka mitsu galant. im using fp2 cams which are supposed to be installed straight up thus no cam gears.

rarson · Post by **rarson** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:36 am

Ah, okay. Should be interesting to see how well the cams work for you.

Nice project. I really want to get mine going but I have some other things to worry about right now. There is a Savanna RX-7 Infini III sitting in a lot that I'm itching to get my hands on, but I'm going to have to wait a little bit.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:52 pm

rear end is almost all together. should have it in by next week.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:55 pm

some pics of my tires. the front ones are new because the old ones i had on there were rubbing and they were only 24" tall. i went with these morosos that are 23"x5" and theyre perfect. they look alot cooler too. more race like.

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 5:47 pm

Take it to a road course!

saturnshadow · Post by **saturnshadow** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:29 pm

damm thats nuts. that car is going to fly, props
:wacko:
heh, that would be a nice honda killer.

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:15 pm

That things gotta be light as hell though.

saturnshadow · Post by **saturnshadow** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:22 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DJpowerHaus @ Sep 8 2005, 02:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> That things gotta be light as hell though. [/quote]
might be like the V8 vegas, fast as hell, but like to go sideways.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:03 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (saturnshadow @ Sep 8 2005, 05:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DJpowerHaus @ Sep 8 2005, 02:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> That things gotta be light as hell though. [/quote]
might be like the V8 vegas, fast as hell, but like to go sideways. [/quote]
god dont sau that. im worried about that enough as it is. om doing everything i can to get it to track straight. if that thing comes around on the top im screwed.

1 Bad 68 · Post by **1 Bad 68** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:31 pm

Man thats sweet! Just got around to looking at all the pics....what rods/pistons did you use?

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:33 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (1 Bad 68 @ Sep 8 2005, 04:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Man thats sweet! Just got around to looking at all the pics....what rods/pistons did you use? [/quote]
wiseco pistons, eagle rods.

1 Bad 68 · Post by **1 Bad 68** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:32 pm

So I'm guessing you went with the 4g63 rods? I don't think eagle makes rods for the 4g64.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:42 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (1 Bad 68 @ Sep 8 2005, 08:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> So I'm guessing you went with the 4g63 rods? I don't think eagle makes rods for the 4g64. [/quote]
the early 2.4s and 2.0 shared the same rods. those pics above are my rod and pistons.

1 Bad 68 · Post by **1 Bad 68** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:26 pm

Right, but on their site they only list '90 and up rods.

part no. length notes and options price
CRS5900MA3D 5.900" stock dimension fitment for 4G63 engines from 1990-1992 (6 bolt rear flange), 3/8" ARP2000 bolts 400.00
CRS5900MB3D 5.900" stock dimension fitment for 4G63 engines from 1993-2000 (7 bolt rear flange), 3/8" ARP2000 bolts.
Note: must use bearings for 1990-1992 engine!
400.00
CRS5472N3D 5.472" stock dimension fitment for 420A engine (1995-2000 non-turbo Eclipse/Talon) 400.00

Or is there something not on their site that I don't know about? I just want to make sure I'm ordering the right ones. The narrow block 2.4's use 156mm rods, where as the 4g63's use 150mm rods. And on the pistons who did you go thru? I know nothing on what dish I need to bring the compression down to atleast under 9:1. I've built several 4g63's but these older 64's are new to me!

slowquest · Post by **slowquest** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:15 pm

Wow, I thought that the rods were the same between the two engines. I gotta check better on that. Since were doing 4g64's, and have to have custom pistons anyway, just make up the difference with piston pin height. Best bet really is to run a "long rod" and make up that difference with pin height.

My big concern at this point is piston oilers. I'm working on making an external setup similiar to what nascar runs, since I'm also running a dry sump system. I know alot of people say ya don't need em, but I REALLY DO. Don't forget my plans with the car

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:21 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (1 Bad 68 @ Sep 9 2005, 12:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Right, but on their site they only list '90 and up rods.

part no. length notes and options price
CRS5900MA3D 5.900" stock dimension fitment for 4G63 engines from 1990-1992 (6 bolt rear flange), 3/8" ARP2000 bolts 400.00
CRS5900MB3D 5.900" stock dimension fitment for 4G63 engines from 1993-2000 (7 bolt rear flange), 3/8" ARP2000 bolts.
Note: must use bearings for 1990-1992 engine!
400.00
CRS5472N3D 5.472" stock dimension fitment for 420A engine (1995-2000 non-turbo Eclipse/Talon) 400.00

Or is there something not on their site that I don't know about? I just want to make sure I'm ordering the right ones. The narrow block 2.4's use 156mm rods, where as the 4g63's use 150mm rods. And on the pistons who did you go thru? I know nothing on what dish I need to bring the compression down to atleast under 9:1. I've built several 4g63's but these older 64's are new to me! [/quote]
your thinking of the 2g 4g64s. try to look up the 89-92 hyundai sonata g4cs. thats what im using and the part numbers are the same for the rods.

rarson · Post by **rarson** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:55 am

The difference between the 1g and 2g rods are the wrist pin size. The 1g is 21mm while the 2g is 22mm. Also, the 1g "big" rods are a tenth of an inch thicker at the crank end. The rods of the 1g and 2g 4g63's are the same as the rods for the 1g and 2g 4g64's, respectively, 150mm long.

1 Bad 68 · Post by **1 Bad 68** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:57 am

The 7 bolt 4g64's (2g) are 156mm long. So everybody is for sure than 1g 6 bolt 4g64's are 150mm long?

slowquest · Post by **slowquest** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:30 pm

I dunno, 1bad. I thought the rods were the same from 4g63 to 64, just different between 6 and 7 bolt. I'll do some more research and figure it out for sure though.

carguyf545 · Post by **carguyf545** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:41 pm

is there a strength differecen between the 1g 4g63 and a 92 4g64. i asummed that if the rods were the same lengh then they were the same rods. i guess i need to pull them out and look to see if they are the same.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:11 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (carguyf545 @ Sep 12 2005, 04:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> is there a strength differecen between the 1g 4g63 and a 92 4g64. i asummed that if the rods were the same lengh then they were the same rods. i guess i need to pull them out and look to see if they are the same. [/quote]
i dont know anything about the internals of any 2.4 except the g4cs. i DO know that it uses the same part number for rods as the 6 bolt 4g63s.

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:28 pm

The reason they dont list pre-90 rods is because they dont know that anybody uses them in anything but Eclipses (which began in 90 (well, 89 really)).

My wideblock says 4G64 on the side.. its a 91 and I used aftermarket rods for the 1G Eclipse and it all went together correctly. As far as 6 bolt stuff goes.. the rods are the same.

Why is anybody looking at anything but 6 bolt motors anyways? Go 6 BOLT! FOR EVERYTHING! Good luck with a flywheel if you're looking at 7 bolt RWD stuff. That's no-man's land.

Slowquest

Since were doing 4g64's, and have to have custom pistons anyway

No we don't. They offer them in a kit with a part number.. they're not custom. Custom means you give them all the specs and they make them to those custom specs. And as far as your dry-sump system needing oil squirters... The rod and main bearings will still be throwing more than enough oil around.

slowquest · Post by **slowquest** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:40 pm

You're using Wiseco's, correct DJ? Do you happen to have a part number for those? And you're getting what compression ratio?

I'm looking for 7to1 compression, which I'm pretty sure means I gotta go custom. I also didn't think about there being any stock dual cam 64's out there, I keep forgetting Mitsu already built this engine :rolleyes: And as far as oil squirters, I'm afraid to not go with them, I don't think the rods are going to be throwing around enough oil for my 12k redline and the 25psi. I'm pretty sure I need all the help I can get for cooling things down.

slowquest · Post by **slowquest** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:30 pm

I couldn't find anything that said the 64's used a 156mm rod. Maybe I just aint looking in the right places

However, Magnus does use 150, 156, and even 162 mm rods in some of their engines. I've tried getting ahold of them to find out if I can just buy their long rods, but have never heard back from them. I think I'll just end up running the 150mm Eagle rods, with custom Ross pistons, to get the compression down where I want it.

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:20 pm

So you're willing to spend hundreds on parts, but you can't call until you can talk to someone there? They're probably busy playing hockey or making maple syrup.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 9:35 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DJpowerHaus @ Sep 17 2005, 12:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> So you're willing to spend hundreds on parts, but you can't call until you can talk to someone there? They're probably busy playing hockey or making maple syrup. [/quote]

thats fucked up.

Fabritory · Post by **Fabritory** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:39 pm

peregrine what size stainless lines you running?

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:06 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SuperStario @ Sep 30 2005, 11:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> peregrine what size stainless lines you running? [/quote]
for the cooling system im running -16. for the fuel im running -6 feed and -8 return.

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:28 pm

What about turbo oil supply lines?

I'm running -32 water lines

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:50 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DJpowerHaus @ Sep 30 2005, 01:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> What about turbo oil supply lines?

I'm running -32 water lines

[/quote]
-3 turbo feed, -10 return. heres some pics of the rear end under the car. its only on jacks but you get the idea.

Fabritory · Post by **Fabritory** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:05 am

Not to be a copycat but do you by chance have a part number for that radiator :ph34r:

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:12 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SuperStario @ Oct 1 2005, 02:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Not to be a copycat but do you by chance have a part number for that radiator :ph34r: [/quote]
lol, i copied buschur so dont worry about it

GRI-2-28185-X thats a summit part number. jegs has it too.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:44 pm

what a difference

Fabritory · Post by **Fabritory** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:12 am

peregrine in all your awsomeness can you supply me with the part number for the red plugs on the water neck :ph34r:

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:08 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (SuperStario @ Oct 3 2005, 05:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> peregrine in all your awsomeness can you supply me with the part number for the red plugs on the water neck :ph34r: [/quote]
i cant remember

ill find out though.