GT35R discussion

newbenz2 · Post by **newbenz2** » Sat Aug 30, 2008 5:02 pm

I know the 35r is only good to about 650hp then its no very iffecent.. Im getting the turbo for a really good price... When time comes I was going to put a 4076 or a 42r..... but for the time being im going to use the 35r.
Kevin

The Godfather · Post by **The Godfather** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:07 am

newbenz2 wrote:I know the 35r is only good to about 650hp then its no very iffecent.. Im getting the turbo for a really good price... When time comes I was going to put a 4076 or a 42r..... but for the time being im going to use the 35r.
Kevin

not sure where you got that info from mate but the GT35R is good for 800hp +, if its a "R" it will have the 1.06 rear which is good for 800hp and i have seen them make more than that...

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:51 am

The Godfather wrote:
newbenz2 wrote:I know the 35r is only good to about 650hp then its no very iffecent.. Im getting the turbo for a really good price... When time comes I was going to put a 4076 or a 42r..... but for the time being im going to use the 35r.
Kevin
not sure where you got that info from mate but the GT35R is good for 800hp +, if its a "R" it will have the 1.06 rear which is good for 800hp and i have seen them make more than that...

most ive seen is 620 to the wheels. unless your talking flywheel horse. thats a different story.

The Godfather · Post by **The Godfather** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:48 pm

peregrine wrote:
The Godfather wrote:
newbenz2 wrote:I know the 35r is only good to about 650hp then its no very iffecent.. Im getting the turbo for a really good price... When time comes I was going to put a 4076 or a 42r..... but for the time being im going to use the 35r.
Kevin
not sure where you got that info from mate but the GT35R is good for 800hp +, if its a "R" it will have the 1.06 rear which is good for 800hp and i have seen them make more than that...
most ive seen is 620 to the wheels. unless your talking flywheel horse. thats a different story.

im talking about at the wheels power, and it was in Rob Baracs evo3 so it was at 4 wheels(he might be floating around on this site somewhere) he actually made more than the 800hp it was rated at. i will dig out the info where he posted this and paste it in here..

The Godfather · Post by **The Godfather** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:08 am

http://www.supraforums.com.au/forum/sho ... 376&page=2

see last post and first post of page 4

i did make a mistake when i said 800hp at the wheels but over 700hp is pretty close, it had been a while since i read that thread.

yes its an off the shelf item, we are talking about the GT35R so engine internals dont really matter its what the GT35R can make,

not all his motor parts are custom, he ran 10's and i cant remember but i will dig up some old posts again but im 99% sure he ran 9's with the stock crank.

my statement stands , lol, i wouldnt have wrote it if i didnt know it to be true

The Godfather · Post by **The Godfather** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:44 pm

mattmartindrift wrote:you're still not accounting for the added power via Nitrous which he claims is a 100shot, so subtract that from the 705 number and now we're getting more realistic.

http://turbohightechperformance.automot ... index.html

Show me a dyno chart of this car, I haven't seen one.

Using a rough HP calculator with the car weighing 2500lbs.; based off of his ET and trap speeds I come up with 550 and 620 respectively, that would be flywheel HP.

Unfortunately what is written in forums is often far from actuality.

Rob Barac himself posted this info so if you say he is full of shit then track him down and take it up with him...

Dont shoot the messenger, this guy is making over 700hp with a GT35R and at all 4 wheels which if it was fwd or rwd would be higher as there is a greater power loss in awd

et and trap speed can be way out with different variables, eg: in my evo3 with only 212kw i ran 11.7 at 192kph, GT35R stock internals(at the time) only 15psi and other supporting mods.

75COLT · Post by **75COLT** » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:42 pm

The Godfather wrote:
newbenz2 wrote:I know the 35r is only good to about 650hp then its no very iffecent.. Im getting the turbo for a really good price... When time comes I was going to put a 4076 or a 42r..... but for the time being im going to use the 35r.
Kevin
not sure where you got that info from mate but the GT35R is good for 800hp +, if its a "R" it will have the 1.06 rear which is good for 800hp and i have seen them make more than that...

SEEN OR READ!

The Godfather · Post by **The Godfather** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:23 am

75COLT wrote:
The Godfather wrote:
newbenz2 wrote:I know the 35r is only good to about 650hp then its no very iffecent.. Im getting the turbo for a really good price... When time comes I was going to put a 4076 or a 42r..... but for the time being im going to use the 35r.
Kevin
not sure where you got that info from mate but the GT35R is good for 800hp +, if its a "R" it will have the 1.06 rear which is good for 800hp and i have seen them make more than that...
SEEN OR READ!

you tube "rob barac" and u can see for urself lol, seriously.. the info is true if you dont want to believe it then dont, i really couldnt care less.

my 2c

The Godfather · Post by **The Godfather** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:40 am

mattmartindrift wrote:
The Godfather wrote:
Rob Barac himself posted this info so if you say he is full of shit then track him down and take it up with him...

Dont shoot the messenger, this guy is making over 700hp with a GT35R and at all 4 wheels which if it was fwd or rwd would be higher as there is a greater power loss in awd

et and trap speed can be way out with different variables, eg: in my evo3 with only 212kw i ran 11.7 at 192kph, GT35R stock internals(at the time) only 15psi and other supporting mods.
I saw that he posted this.

I'll go make a post right now saying my stock-turbo 1jz makes 700hp at the wheels. Does that make it truth?

I am "shooting the messenger" because:

The Godfather wrote:
my statement stands , lol, i wouldnt have wrote it if i didnt know it to be true

So, I'm asking for proof more than someone on the internet making claims.

you're still not equating for the 100shot of nitrous taking the power made by the turbo down to about 600 or less.

Also, the "R" in GT35R does not designate anything other than it's a ball-bearing turbo. It comes in many different configurations, not just the 1.06 a/r hot side.

see here http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merch ... y_Code=GRT

so if you take the 100 shot of nos into account do you have to take into account the giant cams and bigger injectors and fuel pump etc etc etc etc etc etc??????? they are all contributing factors to the 700++hp figure

you want proof track down Rob Barac and ask him yourself, i trust Rob's words and know him to be a person who can be trusted, he has no reason to BS, he stands to gain nothing from making up power figures, it would be childish just like some of your comments,

if you have anymore attacks on me take it to pm's as i dont want to ruin Newbenz2's thread.

Cheaptalon · Post by **Cheaptalon** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:29 pm

I'd venture to say you can't really consider cams the same thing as n2o. n2o is a power adder, like a turbo or supercharger. Cams just help to maximize the efficiency of said power adder.

GRNDSM · Post by **GRNDSM** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:32 pm

I just ran 145mph on 2800lbs car using FP 3565 HTA (a varient of GT35R). that takes 600+ whp to atchieve that trap speed.

We tried dynoing the car this past Wed, but ran into some difficulties... We will give it another shot next Wed.

The Godfather · Post by **The Godfather** » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:23 pm

mattmartindrift wrote:
Cheaptalon wrote:I'd venture to say you can't really consider cams the same thing as n2o. n2o is a power adder, like a turbo or supercharger. Cams just help to maximize the efficiency of said power adder.

Correct.

N2O, or any oxidizer for that matter, force oxygen, more than the engine could pull by itself, into the combustion chamber.

Like a turbo or supercharger, or any other forced-air induction system.

cams, pistons, valves, intake optimization only makes the best use of the air it can pull in by itself.

N2O also acts as a phase-change intercooling medium.

think about it, if a car is making say 1500hp with a GT35R and the rest is made up using nos, then once past the 35R's efficiency the turbines "should" disintegrate... right???

a GT35R is efficient up to 42psi, if you cant get 800whp with 42psi then there is something wrong with your tuner or engine builder or you need more supporting mods, no NOS needed..

pretty simple...

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:52 am

The Godfather wrote:
mattmartindrift wrote:
Cheaptalon wrote:I'd venture to say you can't really consider cams the same thing as n2o. n2o is a power adder, like a turbo or supercharger. Cams just help to maximize the efficiency of said power adder.

Correct.

N2O, or any oxidizer for that matter, force oxygen, more than the engine could pull by itself, into the combustion chamber.

Like a turbo or supercharger, or any other forced-air induction system.

cams, pistons, valves, intake optimization only makes the best use of the air it can pull in by itself.

N2O also acts as a phase-change intercooling medium.
think about it, if a car is making say 1500hp with a GT35R and the rest is made up using nos, then once past the 35R's efficiency the turbines "should" disintegrate... right???

a GT35R is efficient up to 42psi, if you cant get 800whp with 42psi then there is something wrong with your tuner or engine builder or you need more supporting mods, no NOS needed..

pretty simple...

not to sound like a dick but you lose more and more credibility with each post in this thread. if everybody could get 800 whp with 42 psi how come everybody doesnt have it? you have completely oversimplified this. theres so many contributing factors to make 800 whp even on a 42r.

The Godfather · Post by **The Godfather** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:46 am

peregrine wrote:
The Godfather wrote:
mattmartindrift wrote:
Correct.

N2O, or any oxidizer for that matter, force oxygen, more than the engine could pull by itself, into the combustion chamber.

Like a turbo or supercharger, or any other forced-air induction system.

cams, pistons, valves, intake optimization only makes the best use of the air it can pull in by itself.

N2O also acts as a phase-change intercooling medium.
think about it, if a car is making say 1500hp with a GT35R and the rest is made up using nos, then once past the 35R's efficiency the turbines "should" disintegrate... right???

a GT35R is efficient up to 42psi, if you cant get 800whp with 42psi then there is something wrong with your tuner or engine builder or you need more supporting mods, no NOS needed..

pretty simple...
not to sound like a dick but you lose more and more credibility with each post in this thread. if everybody could get 800 whp with 42 psi how come everybody doesnt have it? you have completely oversimplified this. theres so many contributing factors to make 800 whp even on a 42r.

you dont sound like a dick you ARE one, believe it or not its that simple...

take 1 x GT35R

get good boost controller and take it to 42psi

run race gas to support 42psi

bigger fuel setup including fuel pump, surge tanks, injectors, fuel rail etc etc etc

head work including huge cams valves etc

engine internals, low comp pistons to help run higher boost, con rods etc etc etc

i feel like im teaching a kindergarden class here...

YES ITS THAT SIMPLE... you really should research a lil more but as you can see its basics. ffs

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:01 pm

The Godfather wrote:
peregrine wrote:
The Godfather wrote: think about it, if a car is making say 1500hp with a GT35R and the rest is made up using nos, then once past the 35R's efficiency the turbines "should" disintegrate... right???

a GT35R is efficient up to 42psi, if you cant get 800whp with 42psi then there is something wrong with your tuner or engine builder or you need more supporting mods, no NOS needed..

pretty simple...
not to sound like a dick but you lose more and more credibility with each post in this thread. if everybody could get 800 whp with 42 psi how come everybody doesnt have it? you have completely oversimplified this. theres so many contributing factors to make 800 whp even on a 42r.
you dont sound like a dick you ARE one, believe it or not its that simple...

take 1 x GT35R

get good boost controller and take it to 42psi

run race gas to support 42psi

bigger fuel setup including fuel pump, surge tanks, injectors, fuel rail etc etc etc

head work including huge cams valves etc

engine internals, low comp pistons to help run higher boost, con rods etc etc etc

i feel like im teaching a kindergarden class here...

YES ITS THAT SIMPLE... you really should research a lil more but as you can see its basics. ffs

yeah i AM a dick

and since the gloves are off maybe you should do some more research. i actually build fast cars and drive them. im not someones E-cheerleader. im saying right now its flat out impossible to get 800 wheel horsepower from a gt35 without some sort of other power adder. maybe you should go to some other board and spout your bullshit. people here are generally too knowledgable to believe the tripe your spewing.

The Godfather · Post by **The Godfather** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:04 pm

mattmartindrift wrote:so, explain to me how twin turbos make more power than a single one?

IF one 35R can only make "800" then how in the world could two make 1300 without disintegrating?

P.S. your 42psi statement was might vague, if that were the case, i'd spend $300 on a T3/T4 and spin it to 42 psi and make 800hp.

is the T3/T4 rated at 42 psi? i dont think so, that was a silly statement

The Godfather · Post by **The Godfather** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:21 pm

peregrine wrote:
The Godfather wrote:
peregrine wrote: not to sound like a dick but you lose more and more credibility with each post in this thread. if everybody could get 800 whp with 42 psi how come everybody doesnt have it? you have completely oversimplified this. theres so many contributing factors to make 800 whp even on a 42r.
you dont sound like a dick you ARE one, believe it or not its that simple...

take 1 x GT35R

get good boost controller and take it to 42psi

run race gas to support 42psi

bigger fuel setup including fuel pump, surge tanks, injectors, fuel rail etc etc etc

head work including huge cams valves etc

engine internals, low comp pistons to help run higher boost, con rods etc etc etc

i feel like im teaching a kindergarden class here...

YES ITS THAT SIMPLE... you really should research a lil more but as you can see its basics. ffs
yeah i AM a dick and since the gloves are off maybe you should do some more research. i actually build fast cars and drive them. im not someones E-cheerleader. im saying right now its flat out impossible to get 800 wheel horsepower from a gt35 without some sort of other power adder. maybe you should go to some other board and spout your bullshit. people here are generally too knowledgable to believe the tripe your spewing.

lets analyze the "tripe you're spewing" so just cause you havent seen or know of a car making 800hp from a GT35R its impossible??

Here we go back to kindergarden: turbos have a rating system so you dont have to flow test, graph, chart whatever crap every single turbo. The GT35R happens to have a rating of 800hp therefore if you cannot make 800hp from it you are intitled to a refund...

ummm i build and drive fast cars too, so what?

pretty simple lets analyze the GT35R once again:

you have a turbo rated at 800hp that is dual ball bearing and with a 1.06 rear and has blades efficient upto 42 psi, and you still say you cant get 800hp from it lmfao

if you still think its impossible then its time to agree to disagree. people here can choose who they believe, no dramas needed.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:24 pm

umm no. you brought the drama so now you gotta back it up. youve been asked if you saw or read it and your answer was less than lackluster. like matt said dynos can be decieveing so until the fuckin thing runs low 9s on boost alone itll be up in the air.

The Godfather · Post by **The Godfather** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:35 pm

The Godfather · Post by **The Godfather** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:46 pm

mattmartindrift wrote:
The Godfather wrote: Here we go back to kindergarden: turbos have a rating system so you dont have to flow test, graph, chart whatever crap every single turbo. The GT35R happens to have a rating of 800hp therefore if you cannot make 800hp from it you are intitled to a refund...

ummm i build and drive fast cars too, so what?

pretty simple lets analyze the GT35R once again:

you have a turbo rated at 800hp that is dual ball bearing and with a 1.06 rear and has blades efficient upto 42 psi, and you still say you cant get 800hp from it lmfao

if you still think its impossible then its time to agree to disagree. people here can choose who they believe, no dramas needed.

Sure, lets go back to kindergarten read the above-posted flow-chart of the GT35R explain to me that you understand the numbers in that chart, and that Garrett isn't flawed in their measurement.

If that isn't enough, go to the link I posted above of the largest aftermarket Garrett-GT-ball-bearing turbo dealer. I'm more inclined to believe their max-HP numbers than hear-say. Like I said, provide charts, dynos, videos, anything of a car making even 600whp with a GT35R with NO power adders, and I'll concede the point.

You are right, the t3/t4 isn't rated to 42 psi, but, any ball-bearing turbo is, so, lets say a T28, tell me a T28 can make 800hp @ 42psi.

You DO realize that pressure does NOT equal air flow? However, airflow, specifically oxygen, is directly, linearly, related to HP.

hahahah i dont care about winning a point here, dont "concede" it really wont effect my life one bit lmao...

you say Rob Baracs words are hear say then its upto you to track down his charts, graphs, dyno sheets etc.. i believe him and he has told me in his posts (they were directed at me) so its not hear say there is no 3rd party, i didnt hear it from a friends dads uncles brother, i was told by the guy who has done it...

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:28 am

75COLT · Post by **75COLT** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:19 pm

OUR JUST JEALOUS, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN CHATTING ONLINE ALL DAY WITH HOT BABES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

akauf · Post by **akauf** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 12:43 am

Why encourage this??

2.0l+35r@42psi= 800whp...

Yeah.... that simple huh.

Laugh awhile and leave him in his ignorance.

Godfather

I don't know why I'm doing this but...

All evos as that's what your referring to. I don't suppose you mind me using more efficient 8s and 9s as examples huh

David bushur dyno sheet.... tell him he doesn't know what he's doin..

HTA-35r god of 35r turbos

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=369697

still <650whp but very close?? Maybe the manufacturer knows something??

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread ... ight=gt35r

37r on on the corn

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread ... hlight=35r

some info here on the more average power w/35rish turbos and some talk about what it takes to put down numbers approaching you claims.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread ... ght=800whp

how bout a discussion regarding the best 35r

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=343597

nuckinfuts · Post by **nuckinfuts** » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:58 pm

Hey, newbenz I don't think you're alone in this. I have a 1988 190E 16V spec clone that I want to replace the 16V engine with a 4G63T since I saw Bill Hincher (I think that's right) and his artwork. He is a true machinist and visionary to take a seemingly confusing piece and utterly simplifying it to the point that even the plug-and-play crowd can put one together.

So post some pics of your project and I'll start on mine too!

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:50 pm

A 190E with a 4G63... omg.. that would be delicious.

newbenz2 · Post by **newbenz2** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:40 pm

Hey everyone,
Been awhile sense I have been on but the gt35r I have has a .63 compressor side with a 1.02 exhaust. Not your normal 35r. The car is still going along. I just bought porsche hubs and spindles with Ferrari f50 calipers for the front

Hope the specs on the turbo will calm down the fighting... lol

newbenz2 · Post by **newbenz2** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:41 pm

oh and I will be using methenol as a secondary fuel. I have a second set of injectors for it also...

nuckinfuts · Post by **nuckinfuts** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:53 pm

Can you post some pics of your progress? Curious how you did your mounts. What are you doing about gears for the rear diff?