B2600 gearbox converion help please

All the oily, spinning bits

Moderators: DJpowerHaus, mattmartindrift

Post Reply
JAS
Knowlege Seeker
Posts: 21
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:38 pm
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand

B2600 gearbox converion help please

Post by JAS »

Ok, so I have a R type gearbox from a 92 mazda B2200. same as the 87-88 b2600. and Ive got the 87-88 B2600 bellhousing (new from Mazda!)
I went to fit it up today and ran into a problem.
The gear box input shaft hits the crank. so much so that theres 10mm or so gap between the bellhousing and the block.
The block Im using is a wide block G63 (starion), And I fitted the bellhousing to the block to make sure it was the right one. fits fine, and the gearbox fits to the bellhousing good to.

Please help,

Jason
1990 GSR VR JDM starion
1984 GSR II JDM starion DOHC conversion 320hp atw
JAS
Knowlege Seeker
Posts: 21
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:38 pm
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand

Post by JAS »

As far as I konw Ive got the 2WD bellhousing.But I wouldnt have thought it would have made any difference.
1990 GSR VR JDM starion
1984 GSR II JDM starion DOHC conversion 320hp atw
DJpowerHaus
Sir Post A Lot
Posts: 1779
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:24 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD
Contact:

Post by DJpowerHaus »

is it possible that the b2200 input shaft is longer than the b2600 or rx7 input shaft? Oorx7 has an rx7/b2600 trans now so he may be able to measure too .
Image
Getting the engine bolted in is about 10% of the way there.
The next 80% can go quickly with help and skill.
That last 10% takes about as long as the 90% that came before it.
oorx7
Knowlege Seeker
Posts: 27
Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:52 pm
Location: Chicago
Contact:

Post by oorx7 »

I have every thing bolted up. Although I don't have the crank in the block. so I can't really tell if it stacks up yet (input shaft to crank). I could possibly take it apart and measure it though. Would a tape measure be good enough. I don't have any precision measuring tools at home.
DJpowerHaus
Sir Post A Lot
Posts: 1779
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:24 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD
Contact:

Post by DJpowerHaus »

I'll try to measure one of my RX7 transmissions tomorrow. I dont have any with a B2600 bellhousing, but hopefully this will help out. My last post was on an iPhone from NY. How cool are those things!?
Image
Getting the engine bolted in is about 10% of the way there.
The next 80% can go quickly with help and skill.
That last 10% takes about as long as the 90% that came before it.
JAS
Knowlege Seeker
Posts: 21
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:38 pm
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand

Post by JAS »

Thanks for the help guys.
A tape measure should be good enough to give me an idea of whats going on.
I would have thought that all the R type imput shalfs would been the same length, but I guss most car/truck manufactors like to change things so they can sell more parts. :evil: :?

Anyway keep me posted :)
1990 GSR VR JDM starion
1984 GSR II JDM starion DOHC conversion 320hp atw
JAS
Knowlege Seeker
Posts: 21
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:38 pm
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand

Post by JAS »

Ok so I measured between the face of the bellhousing and the end of the input shaft. And the input shalf sticks out 5mm further than the face of the bellhousing....
Please let me know how others compare.

Jason
1990 GSR VR JDM starion
1984 GSR II JDM starion DOHC conversion 320hp atw
oorx7
Knowlege Seeker
Posts: 27
Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:52 pm
Location: Chicago
Contact:

Post by oorx7 »

Sorry I haven't got to measuring this up yet. I turned 30 this past weekend and haven't had much time to do much other than partyImage

I will see if I can get to it this evening.
JAS
Knowlege Seeker
Posts: 21
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:38 pm
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand

Post by JAS »

HAPPY BIRTHDAY dude!!!!
Im not in much of a hurry as the cars still in millions of bits.
Ive just painted the engine bay, heres a link, check it out :D
http://forums.austarion.com/viewtopic.php?t=9467
1990 GSR VR JDM starion
1984 GSR II JDM starion DOHC conversion 320hp atw
oorx7
Knowlege Seeker
Posts: 27
Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:52 pm
Location: Chicago
Contact:

Post by oorx7 »

Thanks.

Just looked at the trans. The end of the input shaft does not go past the bell housing.

BTW looks like a nice project that you have. I will be keeping an eye on it.

If you are looking for an rx7 trans check out www.rx7club.com there seems to be quite a few members in your neck of the woods.
DJpowerHaus
Sir Post A Lot
Posts: 1779
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:24 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD
Contact:

Post by DJpowerHaus »

I measured 124mm from the TOP of the flange that the sleeve is on to the tip of the shaft. It does not stick out beyond the end of the rotary bellhousing. Not sure if this helps, but its all the info I can give at the moment.
Image
Getting the engine bolted in is about 10% of the way there.
The next 80% can go quickly with help and skill.
That last 10% takes about as long as the 90% that came before it.
JAS
Knowlege Seeker
Posts: 21
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:38 pm
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand

Post by JAS »

Ok...

I measured the input shalf and its 137mm from the same place you measured it. Very odd.
I guess my options are either make a spacer to go between the belhousing and the block or get a RX7 box and use the gear shift housing off the B2200 box.....

Any other ideas??
1990 GSR VR JDM starion
1984 GSR II JDM starion DOHC conversion 320hp atw
DJpowerHaus
Sir Post A Lot
Posts: 1779
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:24 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD
Contact:

Post by DJpowerHaus »

Find someone with a blown RX7 transmission and buy the input shaft from them and install it.
Image
Getting the engine bolted in is about 10% of the way there.
The next 80% can go quickly with help and skill.
That last 10% takes about as long as the 90% that came before it.
coltboostin
Addict
Posts: 184
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:00 pm

Post by coltboostin »

DJpowerHaus wrote:Find someone with a blown RX7 transmission and buy the input shaft from them and install it.
Like me? :)

I have a Box that is 100% fine-striped 3rd gear making BIG power of the dyno. 8)

I was going to fix it- but if you can use it.....
saturnshadow
Addict
Posts: 55
Joined: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:13 pm
Location: vally in cali

Post by saturnshadow »

so is there a difference from the 2wd and 4wd B2600 bell housing?
I have the 4wd one with a trans, i was planing on going AWD.
I Drive a turbo Sat..
Kümmern Sie sich um Ihre eigenen Angelegenheiten!
Image
DJpowerHaus
Sir Post A Lot
Posts: 1779
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:24 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD
Contact:

Post by DJpowerHaus »

More likely its a difference between the input shaft lengths of the b2200 and the b2600.
Image
Getting the engine bolted in is about 10% of the way there.
The next 80% can go quickly with help and skill.
That last 10% takes about as long as the 90% that came before it.
JAS
Knowlege Seeker
Posts: 21
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:38 pm
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand

Post by JAS »

coltboostin wrote:
DJpowerHaus wrote:Find someone with a blown RX7 transmission and buy the input shaft from them and install it.
Like me? :)

I have a Box that is 100% fine-striped 3rd gear making BIG power of the dyno. 8)

I was going to fix it- but if you can use it.....
Hey man. cool.
Where in the world are you though. Im in New Zealand :)
1990 GSR VR JDM starion
1984 GSR II JDM starion DOHC conversion 320hp atw
JAS
Knowlege Seeker
Posts: 21
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:38 pm
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand

Post by JAS »

Ive just been told that the Rx7 box has better synchros. And they're designed for high rpm shifting.
Would I be better to get a whole RX7 box and change the shifter.
Great... more money :?
1990 GSR VR JDM starion
1984 GSR II JDM starion DOHC conversion 320hp atw
DJpowerHaus
Sir Post A Lot
Posts: 1779
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:24 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD
Contact:

Post by DJpowerHaus »

Or you could just run it for a while and see if you notice a difference. No need to rush out and buy a whole box.
Image
Getting the engine bolted in is about 10% of the way there.
The next 80% can go quickly with help and skill.
That last 10% takes about as long as the 90% that came before it.
JAS
Knowlege Seeker
Posts: 21
Joined: Fri Mar 31, 2006 6:38 pm
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand

Post by JAS »

DJpowerHaus wrote:Or you could just run it for a while and see if you notice a difference. No need to rush out and buy a whole box.
Thats true. What box are you running, and how have you found it?
1990 GSR VR JDM starion
1984 GSR II JDM starion DOHC conversion 320hp atw
DJpowerHaus
Sir Post A Lot
Posts: 1779
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2004 3:24 pm
Location: Baltimore, MD
Contact:

Post by DJpowerHaus »

I ordered a pallet of 5 RX7 transmissions imported from Japan. Plan was to sell 4 and keep one for myself for free, but I ended up not selling but 2, needed a spare and one had a bad bearing. Oh well.
Image
Getting the engine bolted in is about 10% of the way there.
The next 80% can go quickly with help and skill.
That last 10% takes about as long as the 90% that came before it.
Post Reply