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almostquick · Post by **almostquick** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:37 pm

Hows it going guys? I'm new to these boards, but I've been into DSM's since I could drive, my first car was a '92 Eagle Talon TSI AWD thats made its way from a daily driver to a weekend warrior. Car ran 12.50's on the stock turbo w/ 306hp, 11.50's on a BR20G w/ 380hp, and now recently I slapped on a FP 60-1 which netted a nice 510hp, all of these combos have been on the stock original bottom end. I'm hoping to dig into the 10's with this combo, but what a surprize, the stock tranny wont hold the power and I'm somewhat of a "budget builder." Searching around led me to this site, the lack of knowledge is surprizingly high about these swaps on the normal DSM boards. For example I had no clue that someone (Bill) was making custom bellhousings for toyota and chevy trannies, which is a great appeal to me. So basically I've really been thinking about doing one of these swaps and selling or parting out my car now to fund this new project.

some pics of the car

I have some concerns about the swap. Main choice I have to take is what platform.

3-series BMW- I normally dislike BMW's, but since it will have the heart of my talon I think I come to love it, seems like it has a lot of engine space ( I dont like working in cramped spaces). Its 4-lug, I need to look into whether or not its the same bolt pattern as say a fox body mustang (my rwd car is getting fat and skinnies and you can always find them used on mustang boards). lastly how strong are the rear-ends? I would eventually like to 4-link what ever platform I get and use a Ford 8.8

Conquest- dont like the styling that much, but its 5-lug so I could buy some used fat n skinnies from camaro guys

mighty max- I'm up in the air with this one, it would be the easiest to find in a junk yard to get my shell, but they are 6-lug.

1G RX-7- I'd love to build one of these, dont know if it would offer enough space for the motor. I could make it very light (if you look at my car now you can tell I like lexan).

I would love to hear your opinions/comments on any of these cars. Thanks for reading my huge rant.

thanks again,
Zach

89coltgt · Post by **89coltgt** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:30 pm

Nice 1g. IMO, all of the listed cars would make great projects for the 4g63 swap, depends on what you like.

75COLT · Post by **75COLT** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:10 pm

great looking car and motor. I 've seen on another board (that I won't mention for respect to DJ) a twin turbo 1g rx7. the thing looks amazing,but cramped for space in the engine compartment.

if you have smog laws in your state that might dictate what you build or if its just for the track.

welcome by the way!

almostquick · Post by **almostquick** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:33 pm

thanks for the kind words. I know the rx-7 that your talking about, however its actually a 2g (FC) rx-7, not the 1g which I think has an even smaller engine compartment. I'm in OK, no smog laws, I plan to make the car as extreme as possible, most of the windows will be lexan, dumped exhaust, slicks etc. I plan to drive it to and from the track and to car shows/cruises. I'd like to also make a goal of atleast 1.5 '60's. How well are you guys getting these cars to launch and whats the most popular tranny/rear end setup?

jeffball610 · Post by **jeffball610** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:53 pm

510hp on a stock 1G bottom end! WOW! I'm not sure why you want a first gen RX7. I'd much rather see a 4G63 in an FC. I just think the 1G RX7 is ugly. There is also a lot of aftermarket support for the FC. You could pick up an early 90's 3 series for around $3k and cruise in style with DSM power. There are a ton of options. You mentioned Fox body Mustangs. Why not drop one in there? I say, just find a car you like that is RWD and go from there. I picked a Datsun 510 cause I love the classic lines and to show those SR20 guys that the DSM motor is better amongst other reasons. Just pick something you'll enjoy.

ShaggyZ · Post by **ShaggyZ** » Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:37 pm

75COLT wrote:great looking car and motor. I 've seen on another board (that I won't mention for respect to DJ) a twin turbo 1g rx7. the thing looks amazing,but cramped for space in the engine compartment.

Have you guys been in a hole somewhere?! Those first generation RX7's have probably seen more engine swaps than just about any other car out there (excluding the Z and a couple others). Big-blocks are common. Maybe you will have to build one thinking about space to some degree, but you're hardly going to be cramped.

The only thing I'd be concerned about is the crossmember versus the front-sump of the 4G63. I think those RX7's do well with rear sump motors.

WILLKOMMEN

jeffball610 · Post by **jeffball610** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:50 pm

http://www.doitbig.org/coltboostin/pics/4GX7/done/

Looks pretty nice to me. I believe the engine is tilted due to the RX7 trans. For some reason this guy thought twin turbos would be cool. To each his own.

Robert Venable · Post by **Robert Venable** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:00 am

almostquick,

I think the 4G63/64 powered E#0 would be cool, but prob. more trouble than it's worth. They are not ,normally, that easy to find.

I personally like the styling of the Conquest. Although, I don't think you should build it if you don't like it.

As for the Might Maxs, yes they have 6 bolt wheels, but you can shave the hubs down and run Chevy Truck wheels that are probaly just as popular (if not more) as Camaro and Stang wheels.

And if you don't like that, you can easily swap the front hubs to Toyota Tacoma hubs and run 5 lug wheels this way. And since you plan on backhalfing the car you are building, you can the 8.8" in the back.

RX7 wise, I hate the looks of the 1st gen, but they are light weight shells.

almostquick · Post by **almostquick** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:20 pm

very good information Robert, thank you. Finding the Bimmers wouldnt be all that hard, theres already a couple in a local junkyard, along with a 1990 mighty max and a Conquest. So shaving off one of the studs on the mighty max makes it a 5x114.3 lug pattern? If thats the case I always have these babies wrapped in BFG DR's

I just cant get the idea out of my head, of a little ole E30 bmw running around with fat n' skinnies and a 4G63. However I was looking at one today and the master cyl. they use is huge and the lug pattern is 4x100 (Weld Racing only makes the very expensive Magnum wheel in this pattern).

89coltgt · Post by **89coltgt** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:10 pm

[quote="almostquick"]So shaving off one of the studs on the mighty max makes it a 5x114.3 lug pattern? quote]

You are not serious, are you?

almostquick · Post by **almostquick** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:19 pm

Robert Venable wrote:As for the Might Maxs, yes they have 6 bolt wheels, but you can shave the hubs down and run Chevy Truck wheels that are probaly just as popular (if not more) as Camaro and Stang wheels.

89coltgt · Post by **89coltgt** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 7:59 pm

You still run six lug wheels, you just have to bore out the center of the wheels or turn down the hubs to fit the center of the wheels.

4g63mightymax · Post by **4g63mightymax** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 5:29 pm

89coltgt wrote:You still run six lug wheels, you just have to bore out the center of the wheels or turn down the hubs to fit the center of the wheels.

This is true, and there are some decent looking 6 lug factory wheels out there, you just have to do some research to figure out what vehicles had them (there are more than you might think). I happened to get some free escalade wheels, so that is what I went with. I did have to bore the center of the wheels out with a router though, like 89coltgt said.
-Jeremy