Anyone ever heard of these rods??

Robert Venable · Post by **Robert Venable** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:19 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... %3AMT%3A12
Looks like SBR is selling them fairly cheap. Any oppinions??

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:05 pm

jump on it I guess. You'll probably get any questions answered that you have as they dont want the first ones in the field to have problems.

Robert Venable · Post by **Robert Venable** » Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:13 am

Wish I would have, but the auction ended-- guess I'll see if it gets reposted.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Sun Oct 08, 2006 4:42 pm

http://www.turbogarage.com/dsm_engine.asp

Turbo Garage has Eagles with ARP rod bolts for $319.95

Robert Venable · Post by **Robert Venable** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:34 am

Ok, but these are a good $70.00 cheaper and are supposed to be "on par" with the eagles. Sounds like a winner to me.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:40 pm

ARP rod bolts are ~$70, so the deal is easily better for the eagles. I wouldn't go any cheaper than scat rods which are ~$320 everywhere.

Robert Venable · Post by **Robert Venable** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 8:20 pm

From looking at the description it would seem to me that the rods have ARP bolts on them.
Maybe I'll email SBR about them.

Robert Venable · Post by **Robert Venable** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:00 pm

Mike wrote:ARP rod bolts are ~$70, so the deal is easily better for the eagles. I wouldn't go any cheaper than scat rods which are ~$320 everywhere.

Yes sir.

Cragger

Robert Venable wrote:
Do these rods INCLUDE ARP bolts. The description you put on E-bay says,
"3/8" ARP hardware are used on all Engine Pro rods." Does this mean the ARPs are included in the purchace price??

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:53 pm

are all these rods drilled to provide squirters to oil the pistons? I know DJ was looking to build oilers for his 4G64, I just wondered if you guys use the turbo rods? or the truck rods? I noticed the turbo rods are drilled to supply the piston with oil

rarson · Post by **rarson** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:46 am

You're talking about oil squirters versus wrist pin oiling, no? Aren't they two different things?

Robert Venable · Post by **Robert Venable** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:25 am

Bill Hincher wrote:

are all these rods drilled to provide squirters to oil the pistons? I know DJ was looking to build oilers for his 4G64, I just wondered if you guys use the turbo rods? or the truck rods? I noticed the turbo rods are drilled to supply the piston with oil

I believe you are talking about oiled piston PINS.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:59 am

No I am talking about the big end of the rods, on the crankshaft, my turbo rods have a pin hole lined up with te piston skirt so it splashes oil up on the cylinder wall when the oil hole lines up with the crankshaft

Robert Venable · Post by **Robert Venable** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:29 pm

Only problem with this theroy is that there is clearance between the bearing and crank so you should be squirting oil at all times, but you would probaly shoot a longer stream for the milli second the hole was lined up.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:51 pm

thats the way the factory manual shows them as made look it up under lubrication system illustration # 6LU0056 page 9-7 in my book

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:32 pm

My Scat rods did not have this oil hole, but both my 4G63 turbo and D50 4G64 had them. I imagine Eagle and the rods mentioned in this thread do not have them either.

I know my Scat rods have a wrist pin oil hole. I remember it becuase it wasn't deburred!

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:57 pm

Those holes have to be put in especially without squirters in the block, that alone would go a long way towards your piston friction loss and heat

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:24 pm

To think that there is not oil being splashed unto the bottoms of the pistons would be crazy. One article I read about oil management said that the insides of an engine are about as close to chaos as you can get. Everytime the crank hits the oil the oil spashes and hits more oil which splashes. There is such a mist of oil in the crank case that it is impossible for something within to not come into contact with gross amounts of oil.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:36 pm

Thats why you see dragsters with vacuum pumps attached to the crankcase, they have a ' puke tank' behind the seat and when they make a pass, they pull about 4 quarts out of the engine, same thing with with windage trays in the oil pan, the engine has to work harder to move all that crankcase mist oil. Its the same reason you should run extra large valve covers, because it gives the mist more space to expand in.
But back to the issue of oil, remember that coolant losses its abilty to cool when it turns to steam? same thing with oil, it has to hit the backside of the piston as a liquid to carry away heat.
If the factory spent ten bucks on squiters in that engine and made a million engines, they considered it long and hard before they installed it.

Hell, I would consider it long and hard if I could find a ' squirter' for ten bucks

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:28 am

dry sump is very nice but its just more bucks, this is supossed to be fun, not expensive. The things you will learn from this adventure can be appied for many years to come.

Keep it simple