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Forced Performance 3 Cams and Brian Crower Spring info

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I was going through my piles of paperwork today and typed up the specs from the cam and spring sheets. These are for the Forced Performance 3 cams. The springs are from Brian Crower and are currently available for only $228!!!
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Comp Cams
Engine: MIT 4G63 2.0L DOHC 258 Intake

Grind#: XE258HR-107+9
Valve Adjustment: HYD
Gross Valve Lift: .411
Cam Lobe LIft: .239
Adv. Dur @ .004 Valve Lift: 258

Valve Timing @ .050 6 BTD 26 ABD
These Specs are for cam installed @ 98.0 Center Line

Duration @ .050: 212

N/A Springs Required.
Valve Spring Specs Furnished with Springs

Serial #: UQ5411-06
Part #: 101-301-8I
Grind #: XE258HR-107+9
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Comp Cams
Engine: MIT 4G63 2.0L DOHC 258 Exhaust

Grind#: XE258HR-107+9
Valve Adjustment: HYD
Gross Valve Lift: .395
Cam Lobe LIft: .232
Adv. Dur @ .004 Valve Lift: 258

Valve Timing @ .050 43 BBD 11- ATD
These Specs are for cam installed @ 116.0 Center Line

Duration @ .050: 212

N/A Springs Required.
Valve Spring Specs Furnished with Springs

Serial #: UM3529-05
Part #: 101-302-8E
Grind #: XE258HR-107+9
Brian Crower Springs
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BC1100

Spring Type: Round Cylindrical Spring
Material: ASTM A877 OTCS
Wire Size: 0.162 +/- 0.0012"
Load 1: 95 +/- 5 lbs.
Height 1: 1.500"
Load 2: 235 +/- 9 lbs.
Height 2: 1.000
Total # Coils: 6.28
Total Active Coils: 4.28
Free Length (ref): 1.879"
I.D.: 0.776 +/- 0.010"
O.D.: 1.100 +/- 0.010"
Solid Height: 0.036 +/- 0.030"
Rate: 280.0 lbs/in.
Helix Direction: Right Hand
Indentification: 1 Blue Stripe
Min Tip Thickness: 0.040"
Max Squareness: 2 degrees
Natural Frequency: 35146 cpm
Spring Mass: 44.0g

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Spring Pressure:
BC1100 Seat: 1.500" @ 95 lbs / Open: 1.000" @ 235 lbs / Coil Bind: 0.910" (no machine work required)
Brian Crower Retainers
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BC2100

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Getting the engine bolted in is about 10% of the way there.
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Post by GRNDSM »

What is interesting is that these Brian Crower springs are stiffter than the original "Crower" springs that have been out for many years:

Their specs are:

Valve lift 1.56" Load 70 lbs
Valve lift 1.10" Load 190 lbs
Spring rate 260.9 lbs
Coil bind 0.91"
Max Load 240 lbs

And they weren't good enough for FP3 cams...

I would make sure to check with FP if these new springs have enough rate.

But keep in mind that Manley single springs are still stiffer:

Manley

Valve lift 1.56" 72 lbs
Valve lift 1.05" 222 lbs
Spring rate 294.1 lbs/in
Coil bind 0.95"
Max Load 251 lbs

Oh and anything from FP with an "X", requires doube springs.
Last edited by GRNDSM on Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:47 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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"Requires".. sure that's not another word for "you'll need to buy this from us"?

We saw no signs of float with my engine on the dyno. That was only to 7500rpm though.
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Post by rarson »

DJ, what kind of cams do you have?

I agree with Leon. The "X" cams are supposed to have really aggressive ramp profiles. If FP says they require them, then I believe them. They aren't the type of people to suggest unneeded parts.
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rarson wrote:DJ, what kind of cams do you have?
I'll give you a few minutes to draw some conclusions from the above information.
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Post by GRNDSM »

That was only to 7500rpm though.
That is barely above idle ;). This problem becomes more aperent above 8k.
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Post by jeffball610 »

I have had recent info that FP cams/CompCams, may not be ground correctly. An engine builder in my area has had major problems with the cams not being ground on center and requiring cam degree adjustment. Here's the link:

http://www.co.dsm.org/forums/showthread.php?t=683
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Post by DJpowerHaus »

GRNDSM wrote:
That was only to 7500rpm though.
That is barely above idle ;). This problem becomes more aperent above 8k.
Than it should never be a problem with a 2.4 right?
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Getting the engine bolted in is about 10% of the way there.
The next 80% can go quickly with help and skill.
That last 10% takes about as long as the 90% that came before it.
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