T5 pics for Bill

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:03 pm

this is the T 5 that dave sent me

but then I bought a bellhousing from E bay and it was supposed to be a T 5 housing, so I was confused about just what I had

77amc · Post by **77amc** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:51 pm

Bill, could it be a bellhousing from a 2.9 or smaller Ford/Mazda engine?
So, what is stopping you. I really can't tell a difference, but then again Ford is known for changing things midstream..

I know that the AMC crowd could use the T-5 by boring out the inner dia because the AMC input shaft bearing flange is slightly larger.

Errol

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:26 pm

the bolt pattern for the trans/bellhousing area are wrong on my bellhousing, I gotta know whick bolt pattern and input shaft was on the 'world class model'

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:08 am

yeah Kane, but at the end of the day, I need to know which trans case to build the bolt pattern for

Djchunter · Post by **Djchunter** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:59 pm

That accually looks like a tremec pattern

SIR · Post by **SIR** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:30 am

I am keen for one of these, a lot of dog gear sets available for these boxes.

I just had a search to see what T5 patterns we use over here in Australia, the ones out of the ford V8's looks like the box housing you have pictured. Then there are the GM Holden t5's that look more like the belhousing you have pictured.

Can the housing be drilled out to suit both? It looks like there may be a few different types. We also have different ones depending if it is a v8 or v6 but not sure if they use the same case with smaller internals or completely different casings

Verdad · Post by **Verdad** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:12 pm

The pics i posted came out of a "world class" T5. Fresh outta a pony 3 days before i posted the pics. My whole life is trying to find a damn R154 and I've had like 6 fall through on me. Im ready to try to sell this billhousing and wait for the T5 one. My buddies have like 3 of them in the garage.

The million dollar question will be if they can shift for shit when spun up to 8k

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:58 pm

Verdad wrote:The pics i posted came out of a "world class" T5. Fresh outta a pony 3 days before i posted the pics. My whole life is trying to find a damn R154 and I've had like 6 fall through on me. Im ready to try to sell this billhousing and wait for the T5 one. My buddies have like 3 of them in the garage.

The million dollar question will be if they can shift for shit when spun up to 8k

can you find a '96 and up R 151? they came in the v 6 Toyota truck, they are supposed to be the same bolt pattern utthe input shaft is a 1/4 longer, we could shorten the shaft or build a spacer plate, but in the end, I will swap out a T 5 bellhousing with you if you need it ( when I build it)

Verdad · Post by **Verdad** » Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:25 am

<3 Bill

Tell ya what, I'll ship the T5 and the bill housing back to ya. I think im going to buy a 2.0 tranny so i can get the bugs worked out in the mean time. And when you get the T5 bellhousing built, I have a T5 waiting in my garage already for it. My buddies gave me one on saturday when i just mentioned you might be making one for my swap.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:21 am

hold on to the bellhousing until i get this wide block R 154 done Marc, then i will get the T 5 set up going, its been taking me about 2 months if uninterupted , work to get the proto types done

Djchunter · Post by **Djchunter** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 2:44 pm

Guys need to keep in mind that a t5 wont shift behind a 4g under hard load!!

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:38 pm

I talked to Marc ( Verdad) and he has some help with the T 5's, they claim it will shift after 5 grand just fine

did you ever get the T 56 to work with the GM adaptor after I sent you the pilot bearing spacer, Djchunter?

Djchunter · Post by **Djchunter** » Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:45 pm

I used a BW t-10 out of an older trans am, GM 4spd. But yes everything worked like a dream. I accually plan on picking up another adapter from your here shortly as long as all my holiday finances work out.. I dont have any weird harmonic or balance issues as of yet..
Dave

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:34 am

well, lets start a new topic and post some pics, maybe i can help you detail it out

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:16 pm

Verdad · Post by **Verdad** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:49 am

... you tease, i got all sorts of excited when i saw Bill on this thread.

ownd

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:49 pm

I have had 2 years of hard work in the last 4 months, it looks like I can come back now. My family is getting back to 'normal'

I got some questions about the T5 , there are 2 bolt patterns available, but the chevy bolt pattern seems limited to me, is it really needed? why not just stay with the ford wc?
what about input shaft length in all the different models? which one do I go with? the Ford small block?

I just picked it up and couldnt put it down, I do have another ( Sub ) project that I will give priority to, plus I am starting to get into drive shafts , sooooooooooooo bare with me

I have scrap bellhousings that didnt work out that I cut up and see how I can improve, so when I am done cutting them up, I can recycle them into new projects

This ougth to be much easier then the previous builds. I am using an old R154 bellhousing because it was longer

If I stay with the two lower trans mounts, I will have to change the lower skirt

I got some throw out bearing ideas that include raising the clutch fork arm about 2 inches

screemin eagle · Post by **screemin eagle** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:00 pm

the gm version of the t5 was much weaker for what ever reason. id stay with fords version found in 84-93 fox body cars. in 94/95 its the same bolt pattern only the input shaft is a 1/2 or 1/4 inch longer. there are a wealth of upgrades for the ford version.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:31 pm

it would make it sooooooooooooo much easier to walk away from the Chevy option, and from what I can see the V 8 small block ford is the way to go

Verdad · Post by **Verdad** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:55 am

im 100% behind the WC T5. and not just because i have one on a shelf in the garage....

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:15 am

I removed the lower skirt because of something Matt Arudda said, ' why not leave the skirt out ?'

I left the chevy bolt pattern in because I like multi purpose stuff

I welded the trans plate on and will start the sides next

JDOliver · Post by **JDOliver** » Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:44 pm

"the gm version of the t5 was much weaker for what ever reason"
I think it's more the cars they put them in were prone to even more abuse that the fox body mustangs.

I had an 89 LX 5.0 that I constantly kept the tires unglued upshifting and downshifting for 70,000 miles and never broke the transmission. They seem to be plenty good to me.

The bad thing is finding one inexpensively as people are always killing them left and right.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:41 am

Verdad · Post by **Verdad** » Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:27 am

nice glad to see it coming along, just had to slap a motor in my 240, but i should be back to the truck in a couple weeks

keep up the good work Bill, you have tons of eccentric fans on all these niche websites

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Fri Sep 10, 2010 9:13 pm

Djchunter · Post by **Djchunter** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:31 pm

Bill just wondering what trans you used for mock up? The reason I ask is the 4cyl and 5.0 fox trans' have different input shaft lengths (4cyl one is 1/4 or 3/8" longer I can recall for sure) and pilot bearing size on the 4cyl trans uses a smaller shaft diameter. The SN95 trans is the same as a 5.0 trans v6 or v8, but the input is 3/4" longer over all

Dave

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sat Sep 11, 2010 9:52 pm

this is the long shaft V-8 world class trans
I gotta measure the shifter length to see where it will fit but its nice and narrow and will fit most small tunnels but the big bonus is the 1350 U-joints you can buy for it

Verdad · Post by **Verdad** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:14 am

i saw this last night around 10:30 and went to bed a happy man!

looks great bill

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:12 am

I had to drop the chevy bolt pattern, the lower bolt pattern created a problem with the clutch slave cylinder and draft problems at the top mounting bosses, so I dropped the idea of the dual bolt pattern
I took the easy way out

screemin eagle · Post by **screemin eagle** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:39 pm

bad ass. i do think i will ditch the 154 for a g force t5.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:03 pm

YOU will get one of the first batch, David , Thats written in stone >;o)

I did something different this time, I built the whole thing 2% oversize so I can have it casted just once, then adjust out the new casting and correct any details before casting to the correct shrink size ( I hope that makes sense)
because, the guys at the casting shop beat up my patterns a little bit and each one is a little different then the last

77amc · Post by **77amc** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:31 am

Bill, I was trying to line up what would be the pickup of the engine and the lowest part of the trans in your pic above and couldn't tell if the trans sits lower than what would be the fr sump.
(couldn't really tell if that was the bottom of trans or part of that engine in the background by the blue tool box)

E

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:34 pm

its higher then the flywheel

Djchunter · Post by **Djchunter** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:52 am

So you used the 94-95 trans?? My concern with that is there is no aftermarket for it. The g-force mentioned above in the mustang world requires you to run a fox bell housing and driveshaft spacer. Also all the tremec trans are fox length as well. Sorry for throwing mixing info out there just trying to get all the facts strait. I found alot of this out the hard way setting my car up for a t5..
Dave

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:20 am

I can overcome any obstical you can find dave
Optimizim always wins

screemin eagle · Post by **screemin eagle** » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:34 pm

theres always a doug nash unit

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:21 am

the input shaft is 7.18 in on this T 5 which is common with the V-8 305 hp unit

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:23 pm

everytime I make a change, I put it back int the mill and make sure its square

I keep testing the centers and the depth of the input shaft

This housing can be ordered with left or right side slave cylinders

I wanted to be sure of the oil pan hieght compared to the trans

I have about 30 more hours of detail to put into it

dees75z · Post by **dees75z** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 2:20 pm

Bill, you are the man!!!!!!!!!!!!!

77amc · Post by **77amc** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:05 am

So, what year/ make/ vehicles did these world class t-5's come in that can handle 300+ft lbs?

And comparatively speaking.. Of the two, which would be a 'better' trans?
W-58, T-5,
The w58 that I have seems to be noticeably heavier than the T-5.

Thanks again Bill.

E

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 3:29 am

http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/T5ID.htm

you want the 7.18 length input shaft

77amc · Post by **77amc** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:25 am

Thanks

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