EVO bolt patterns compared to 4g63

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:56 pm

The EVO flywheel is 11 1/2 inch and the bolt pattern is different then the 4G63, the lower main bolt on the axle side is raised up about 14mm

please dont confuse the two

jeffball610 · Post by **jeffball610** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:16 pm

I'm assuming this is the later EVO motor. It should be EVO4+ correct? Or is this just for the EVO 8-9? I think they are the same, but thought I would put this out there just to make sure and clarify for anyone reading this post.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:48 pm

thats all i want to do jeff, is put out here what I know and see what everybody can tell me, I do not know what model the EVO plate I have

ramon · Post by **ramon** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:13 pm

Bill that plate is from evo 4-9

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:21 am

does anybody have an early EVO plate to match up to the 4G63?

cali · Post by **cali** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:41 am

defitnetly from an 8-9...have one in my garage.

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:46 am

Bill Hincher wrote:does anybody have an early EVO plate to match up to the 4G63?

I'm pretty sure all evo 4-9 blocks are the same; however I have an E4 block, and probably a plate. I shall take some pictures today and post them up.

I can probably get pictures of an E6 block, and also a 4G64 block (from 2000 Spacewagon I believe) which AFAIK is a straight drop in replacement for the Evo block.

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:27 am

Pics as promised for E4...

widebodywoody · Post by **widebodywoody** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:04 am

You can tell it all by its crank. VR4 and Evo1-3 blocks had a 6 bolt crank. In that picture you can clearly see its a 7 bolt crank. Which means its a Evo4-9 block.

jeffball610 · Post by **jeffball610** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:52 pm

Other than the starter location, it doesn't look all that dissimilar from the US 7-bolt motors. There must be a change somewhere, as these two motors face opposite directions in the chassis. Here is a picture for reference. Bill already has a plate made for the 2G USDM 7-bolt.

Sorry it still has the "flexplate" attached. You miss some of the crank area details. This is actually a 2.4L from a 95 Galant I believe. After inspecting the pistons, I think it may have been the more rare DOHC 4G64 found only in the 95 Galant. The head was off when I pulled the motor so I couldn't be sure.

After looking at these two on the same post page, it seems the main difference is on the exhaust side. The USDM version seems to be a bit "wider" and the lowest mounting hole is lower on the USDM version. There may be a difference on the upper hole as well. The EVO 4 that is pictured has a guide dowel and the USDM version does not.

89coltgt · Post by **89coltgt** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:52 am

widebodywoody wrote:You can tell it all by its crank. VR4 and Evo1-3 blocks had a 6 bolt crank. In that picture you can clearly see its a 7 bolt crank. Which means its a Evo4-9 block.

Some od the earlier evos (1-3) had a 7 bolt block in them.

AllanL · Post by **AllanL** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:23 pm

Galant VR4s have 6-bolt cranks. Evo I~IIIs have 7-bolt cranks.

The starter housing plate is the same for the Galant VR4s and EvoI~IIIs Bill.

This was wha tI was aking before in a pm to you, if you could have a tranny adapter plate to fit the GVR4/EvoI~III small block to a wide block KM132 tranny.

Hope you could help

Btw, is the Starion G54B block a narrow or wide block?

Thanks

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:31 pm

the G54B is a wide block
so you are saying the EVO 1-3 is the same as the 4G63 narrow block?

AllanL · Post by **AllanL** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:14 pm

Bill Hincher wrote:the G54B is a wide block
so you are saying the EVO 1-3 is the same as the 4G63 narrow block?

yes Sir Bill, they are the same in terms of bolt pattern of the block and bell housing

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:22 am

the bolt pattern will be the same for the flywheel, so you could choose a first or second gen FWD flywheel, that way you will get either a 6 or 7 bolt flywheel bolt pattern

4g64fiero · Post by **4g64fiero** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:45 am

You use any year evo crank/rods/pistons in any year dsm 7 bolt as long as you use the correct main bearings in respect to the block the internals are going in.

Evo 1-3 7 bolts were identical to their dsm counter parts. You can put an evo 1-3 motor in any year dsm that came with a turbo motor.

Evo 4 up are swapped around supposedly to solve the crankwalk issue with a pull clutch instead of push. The thrust bearing is diferant as well. You can still use their internals in any dsm with the 4g63. Thats about all you can use, I know the exhaust manifold can still be used with the dsm, most dont though.

I hope I helped someone.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:14 pm

we gotta settle on a clutch, if the EVO 4-9 was a pull type clutch and you guys want to run a push style clutch and you still wanna run an EVO flywheel, then I need to know how to arrainge the clutch fork, and I wonder if a push style clutch will cause problems with the thrust bearing

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:09 am

bickering??????????????????

its called research, bickering always includes a woman

i need to know the exact clutch needed for the job so i can build the throw out bearing location and i gotta know what fork is going to be used

quote : Evo 4 up are swapped around supposedly to solve the crankwalk issue with a pull clutch instead of push. The thrust bearing is diferant as well.

You can still use their internals in any dsm with the 4g63. Thats about all you can use,

if this is true, why dont we use a second gen FWD flywheel with a push style clutch? you could buy a cheaper push style clutch or you could use the wild double disc stuff offered for the second gen engine, it would have a smaller flywheel diameter which is what everybody seems to want

seems like win/win

screemin eagle · Post by **screemin eagle** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:31 am

you can use the 2g awd flywheel too for more clutch options and they are probly more available then the 2g fwd flywheels

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:40 am

The change to pull clutch on the E4 is thought to be the cause of the crankwalk issue, the centre main/thrust was changed E5 onwards.
Though I gather the E1-3's sucked a bit too.

As far as agreeing on a clutch that might be awkard, (not bickering, as Bill says there's no women involved

) ideally I want a push setup using the R154 lever and pivot, then use a custom bearing carrier to suit the clutch stack height that I'll use.

jezz_s13 · Post by **jezz_s13** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:54 pm

Erm, they came out of the Lancer Evolution 1-9.

Dates are here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi ... _Evolution

ramon · Post by **ramon** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:00 pm

Bill we all agree that we are going to use the 2g flywheel,fork and is going
to be a push style clutch.

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:27 pm

I already have a EVO flywheel, I ordered a second gen 4G63 AWD flywheel / starter/ fork /pivot ball to see how it all lines up

sidewayz69 · Post by **sidewayz69** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:57 am

the sirus 2000 fly wheel bolts up directly on d evo block
i am putting ah 4g67 in ah rwd galent and i am using the sirus gear box
with the engine
also the sirus 2000 sandwich plate bolts up directly in my block so it will
work 4 u 2

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:28 am

do you have any pic's?

sidewayz69 · Post by **sidewayz69** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:11 pm

who ?
me?

well if so i did this about ah month ago with no problems
direct bolt up in ah 4g67
which is suppose 2 be the same as the 4g63 cause the
cylinder head gasket and other parts are interchangable

the starter also fall in the same position with d rwd set up( cause i am turning around the fwd engine 2 rwd)

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:39 am

sidewayz69 wrote:who ?
me?

well if so i did this about ah month ago with no problems
direct bolt up in ah 4g67
which is suppose 2 be the same as the 4g63 cause the
cylinder head gasket and other parts are interchangable

the starter also fall in the same position with d rwd set up( cause i am turning around the fwd engine 2 rwd)

yeah, YOU, do you have any pics?

ramon · Post by **ramon** » Sun Apr 26, 2009 1:08 pm

hey Bill any up day

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:51 am

I bought a second gen AWD starter and i cant tell you any difference between, first gen,second gen, AWD,FWD EVO starters, there aint any difference, I ordered a complete second gen FWd flywheel / clutch and I am looking for a second gen AWD flywheel , then I will fit up one of my existing R 154 bellhousings to the EVO bolt pattern

jeffball610 · Post by **jeffball610** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:30 pm

Bill, there is no difference between 1G and 2G flywheels, clutches, starters, or anything in that area. Other than being 7-bolt (late 1Gs had this as well) and the extra bolt location on the exhaust side of the bellhousing area, there is no difference.

The later EVO stuff definitely has some differences in starter location. (as we've seen) I'll check around and see if I can get any info on some of this for you from a DSM/EVO guy in Colorado that deals with transmissions mainly. His name is Jack at www.jackstransmissions.com and he should know for sure. Might even be able to get a stater plate or something from him on loan for you.

sidewayz69 · Post by **sidewayz69** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:03 pm

yeah, YOU, do you have any pics?[/quote]

no
it is installed already

sidewayz69 · Post by **sidewayz69** » Sun May 10, 2009 8:14 am

i took out some pics yesterday but i dont no how 2 upload them

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:22 am

you can E mail me the pic's and I can post them for you

I went back and redisigned the R 154 bellhousing to accept the EVO bolt pattern as well as the narrow block
This will also include the option of an AWD flywheel or the FWD flywheel depending on where the starter is drilled when ordered

I will take some pic's on Tuesday

sidewayz69 · Post by **sidewayz69** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:31 am

Bill Hincher wrote:you can E mail me the pic's and I can post them for you

I went back and redisigned the R 154 bellhousing to accept the EVO bolt pattern as well as the narrow block
This will also include the option of an AWD flywheel or the FWD flywheel depending on where the starter is drilled when ordered

I will take some pic's on Tuesday

welll my pc was down and ah now get it back
i need 2 sort out my pics and i will email them 4 u
cause things did not go 2 plan
i made some more conversions in my installation of the engine

Bill Hincher · Post by **Bill Hincher** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:26 am

these are the new R 154 fitted to the EVO bolt pattern, they will use the second gen AWD flywheel with the push style AWD clutch

the starter location will stay in the 4G63 AWD upper location

I will be machining these out this week but I have a promise to keep to Matt Arruda on the long shaft T 56 first

kuroi · Post by **kuroi** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:29 pm

now that's a winner!

MightyMike · Post by **MightyMike** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:34 am

This wasn't cleared up so i figured I would..

EVO 1-3 Is a 7 Bolt engine styled like 2G mounting as far as tranny goes but with 6 bolt style sensors etc.

So its a "narrow" block, fits in any eclipse, uses same flywheel as 2G AWD, same clutch (stronger PP), same starter location.