Think we can get a 2.4 dohc faq/guide setup?

JoL · Post by **JoL** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:01 pm

yeah i could use one too

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Tue Mar 08, 2005 3:48 pm

Who's volonteering?

Sure, I'll document it when I do it, but I'm crazy busy these days so I dont see it happening till the summer.

What really is there to know? 6bolt 2.4L wideblock or otherwise... add oil squirters if you want them, forged pistons to lower the compression.. rods if you need them, bolt it all up like you would a normal rebuild... nothing too complicated.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:47 pm

From what Jay has commented, there are no extra oil holes to plug on the 4G64 wideblock. It is mostly a bolt on affair.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:04 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (smog @ Mar 15 2005, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Guys, what kind of money amd I looking at to have the g64b block tapped for oil squirters. I'm thinking either this, or sr20det. Notsure which one will run more money in the end. I dont want to deal with transmission problems.

I just snagged 2 magna intakes for the g54b, but I am not sure I wanna mess with that.

About the g64b crank. Will I need to have it nitrated or anything?

I need to figure out a plan for the 87 widebody I bought. Once I get my 1jzswap done, I will start work on it.

I've been buying too much crap lately, setting me back on my goal.

I finally got some killer deals on cars though, 2 87 quests for 300. 1 flat, one widebody. [/quote]
you dont really NEED the oil squirters. they were put in for longevity issues for people who dont take care of their cars I.E. warranty. they are a good idea but not worth it if not already there IMHO.

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:58 pm

If they were for warrantees.. why didnt they have them on the non turbos? Did they accept them as being negligable to warranty.. and did they think that the turbo owners would change their oil, etc... less than the non turbo owners?

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:47 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DJpowerHaus @ Mar 16 2005, 12:58 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If they were for warrantees.. why didnt they have them on the non turbos? Did they accept them as being negligable to warranty.. and did they think that the turbo owners would change their oil, etc... less than the non turbo owners? [/quote]
you answered your own question.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:24 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (smog @ Mar 16 2005, 10:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Wonder why a 2jzgte has 2 oil squirters per piston. They must really want their engines to last a long time.....

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do some research on the pros and cons fellas. then make your own decisions.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:17 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (smog @ Mar 17 2005, 04:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I:m trying to find drawbacks to oil squirters and I cant. They only benefit your engine, especially turbo cahrged engine. Cooling the piston down maintain the integrity of the aluminum. It can also aid in preventing detonation.

But hell, lets not put em in and run high boost for track sessions :rolleyes: [/quote]
*sigh* you guys dont get out much. heres a great thread on the pros and cons. i for one get rid of them when i build my motors. never had a problem. i take it none of you guys have built a forged motor before.

<a href='http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthr ... +squirters' target='_blank'>http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthr ... uirters</a>

as far as running high boost without them ive done it to the tune of mid 11s. have you? -_-

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:32 am

somebody's getting cocky! I love it. And all the forged internalled Nissans I've worked on had oil squirters stock.. KA non turbo even has them. I'll definatly read that post though. Keep the info coming!

BTW...
Peregrine
KenQuest
and DJpowerHaus

are building 2.4s.. AWESOME! If you can lead the way Peregrine.. us other 2 would love to benefit from your knowlege.. (I'm not being sarcastic in anyway, seriously). I lost my ass last year with the whole internal swap fiasco. Dont want to loose my ass again this year with the 2.4 build up. This is the first motor I have built and I'm not going to be shy about that. I need all the help I can get.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:51 am

will do. ill dig up my reciepts and get some part numbers for my wiseco pistons and eagle rods. i can get pretty detailed on stuff so that should help. you guys can watch me build the colt into the 9s;)

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 12:55 am

Read that post.. awesome post BTW... no DSM girl fights at all. I'm split right now.... dont know which way I'm ging to go. It will depend on what road race and rally 4G63s have done. The drift car will see conditions similar to those and not very similar to a 12s drag car. Gotta do alot of soul searching on this one

.

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Thu Mar 17, 2005 5:23 pm

UPDATED

How about... some pricing on parts. I'll see what I can find and you try to beat it.

Wiseco 6bolt 2.4L Pistons.........$459.00
Scat Rods .............................$268.00
"The Peregrine Connection Set.$610.00
Gasket Kit .............................$129.00
Head Gasket.................................?? I want OEM so it blows.. not rings
Bearings (Rod & Main).............$116.00
ARP Head Studs........................$90.00
Rivised Lifters...........................$80.00
OEM Timing Kit........................$108.00
4G64 Block and Crank.................$0.00 Lucky Me
Unorthodox Crank Pulley..............$0.00 Lucky Me
4G63 Adjustable Cam Gear..........$0.00 Lucky Me
1G Turbo Intake Cam ................($30.00) (selling)
Water Pump.................................??
2.4L Cam Gears............................??
New OEM Main Bolts......................??
ARP Main Studs........................$59.00
Oil Pump........................................??
4G63 DOHC Head........................$0.00 Lucky Me
Cast Timing Part.............................??
Turbo Oil Pan..................................??
Clean 2.0 Timing Cover..................??
Hyundai Valve Cover....................?? I want a million makes on this car
272 Intake / Exhaust Cams.........$500.00
Service: Polish Crank ..................$50.00
Service: Hone / Deck ...................$0.00 Lucky Me
Sell "Big Rods"...........................($50.00) Sell them!
Alternator ..................................$0.00
240SX Power Steering Pump.........$0.00
SR20DET Bearing Set ..............($100.00) Got some to sell
Sell Leftover Gaskets.....................??
Sell DSM Wheels....................($100.00)Sold some!
Torque Plate.................................??

I also need a few odds and ends like a Turbo oil pan, oil squirters if I decide to go with them (really thinking about not). The cast part on the front of the motor

JAM = JacksonAutoMachine.com has good prices, going to see if they have 2.4 pistons
I'm going to call www.raceeng.com to see if there is a better deal there.
SB = Slowboyracing.com

Obviously I havent looked everywhere.. I only had 20min in the lab at school so I did as much as I could. I'm not done yet... To Be Continued... but please.. find better prices. With 3 of us doing this and maybe more in the near future.. we could start to have some buying power. Are there any Group Buys going on anywhere? If we can save a few bucks x 3 it will feel good

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peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:05 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (smog @ Mar 18 2005, 11:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Any way you look at it, they cool the piston down, and help maintain piston integrity, no matter which piston you are using. A forged pistons weakens like all the rest with heat. I dont know why people bother with 7 bolt engines int he first place. 6bolts are so easy to find. If mitsubishis 7 bolt design causes crank walk fromt he oil squirters, then obviously mitsubishi screwed up.

I can't even think of another turbo engine where people remove them.

Race or street, I would never remove them out of an engine I built.

No one mentioned why the squirters stuck open, something I would have looked into. I tend to take everything I read with a grain of salt, especially when it comes to peoples opinions on engine mods. [/quote]
well, as our opinions differ we'll just leave it at that

what about the 2.4s that dont come with them? would you drop the cash to have them installed? even with the chance that they could be installed incorrectly and damage your newly built motor? my pistons came ceramic coated on the skirts just for that reason.

on another note i only paid $610 SHIPPED for my wiseco stroker pistons and eagle rods. it was a place called dragon automotive or something. guys name was tyson. do a google search for it.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Sat Mar 19, 2005 8:08 pm

<a href='http://www.dragonautomotive.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.dragonautomotive.com/</a>

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 1:16 am

When I get my income tax back I think I will be builing mine as well.

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:19 pm

My parts buying has begun! I sent my crank off for a good inspection yesterday.. waiting for it to come back so I can get numbers to order bearings from Jackson Auto Machine along with some other stuff they sell.

I talked to Tyson from <a href='http://www.DragonAutomotive.com' target='_blank'>http://www.DragonAutomotive.com</a> . He seems really interested in what we're doing on here. I dont know if we can get the same pricing as Peregrine, but he said he can work wth us. I gave him the URL of the site so hopefully he'll find it and stop by. $610 for Wisecos and Eagles sounds sooooo good.

On another note.. I am probably going with an Autronic SMC ECU. I talked to Mac from : <a href='http://www.fasttrackperformance.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.fasttrackperformance.com/</a> today for almost an hour about all kinds of cool car stuff. He said he sold alot of the discounted units that he had, but he had one with a bad MAP sensor. He ordered the sensor and is going to have it put in. And if all goes well.. I can get the SMC for $500... along with that I'm probably going to get a MSD DIS-4 (4 single coils independently controlled.. or independent Coil On Plug). And he has AMAZING deals on injectors. $200 for 1600cc injectors and $220 for more reasonable sizes. The only catch is that they are the American "big" o-ring injectors.

Now, as always.. unless the parts are in my hands, none of this should be taken as fact. I've already had $460 HKS 272s and an MSD DIS-2 not materialize. That damn dsmTrader.com site is so annoying sometimes.. people always changine their minds after they put something up for sale.. never responding to emails... what a pain.

peregrine · Post by **peregrine** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:55 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DJpowerHaus @ Apr 7 2005, 08:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Now, as always.. unless the parts are in my hands, none of this should be taken as fact. I've already had $460 HKS 272s and an MSD DIS-2 not materialize. That damn dsmTrader.com site is so annoying sometimes.. people always changine their minds after they put something up for sale.. never responding to emails... what a pain. [/quote]
yeah no shit. i bought some cams off the trader about three years ago for $450 and they never appeared. paypal bent me over too and i never saw a dime back. i try to do things local as much as possible now. good luck on the 2.4 build. i should have my motor back by the end of this month so ill post pics.

Mike · Post by **Mike** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:15 am

Always pay with a credit card with fraud protection. When someone screws you over, report it to your company. That way they will refund you and they will worry about retrieving the money.

Post by **DJpowerHaus** » Wed May 04, 2005 4:51 pm

Parts ordering is under way. Biggest holdup is Summit.. bastards. The 2.4L pistons only come in standard bore and they're special order.. so I have to wait... "a few weeks".. jesus. Good thing I am not in a HUGE rush. Sure would like to get it done by July though for Pigeon Forge, Hyperfest and Drift Showoff... (all back to back weekends!) You can get them here: <a href='http://www.importperformanceparts.net/i ... bishi.html' target='_blank'>http://www.importperformanceparts.net/i ... hi.html</a>
for $50 more and you can get .020 bore. Might be worth it.

So yeah.. I have a price sheet down the the penny so far of the entire racecar build. Still need cams, timing parts, Bearings, oil pan.. and that's it motor wise.

So basically.. use a stock bore and order your pistons EARLY. Sure with the $610 set came together. I settled for the cheap scat rods... I have faith in the Chinese.

I guess I'll kill the time inbetween ebaying to pay for a turbo and when that happens I'm going to need to put my exhaust manifold and downpipe together.

Depending on Summit and the pallet of transmissions.. this drivetrain should be WICKED and done in a month. That's with full standalone and all fuel mods and ignition mods.. crazy!