Dan's (HP Autosports) 4G63 1969 Plymouth Valiant build threa

HPA · Post by **HPA** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:38 am

I have decided to change projects, I love my talon, but after almost 15 years of breaking parts, its time for a change.

I owned this car for many years and it has been fun to drive with the factory slant 6 but now its time to give it a new heart, 4G63 style, so here it is, my 1969 Plymouth Valiant powered by a 4G build thread

Its funny because ive been preparing for this for over a year now, and then i saw frankendarts car..... ok so im not so original anymore. LOL

here she is.... beauty is in the eye of the beholder..

It all starts with a trip to RMS Motorsports on monday to buy some parts. right now the car has torsion bar suspension, 4 wheel 9 inch drums and steering box style suspension, needless to say it sucks.... so this is what i bought.

So I drive 7 hours to Pensylvainia,
this is what im greeted with... HEMIS!

All aluminum 572 hemi, 800hp on pump

And more hemi goodness, the owners 69 Dart with a crate 572

So heres the parts i picked up, new wheels and tires,
rears are 15-10 with 28 inch drag radials

fornts are 15-4 on 26 inch tires

suspension parts

coilovers

wilwoods

k frame

this is not from the same guys, but, bills autofab GM adaptor plate for automatic tranny

bolted up

first update, I start work today, this is its new home for the winter....

Wheels off fluids out.... bye bye slant six

front suspension and brakes that are soon to be replaced. factory steering box, torsion bar suspension, drum brakes all going to the scrappers.

teeny tiny rear end, soon to be replaced by a ford 9 inch or something like, im not sure yet.

it should all be out by the end of the day.

And here is the Valiants soon to be new heart.... (but the header is now sold)

La, cest le temps de sortir le vieux Méo Pancher (slant 6) de la, cest vraiment incroyable comment pessant que cest.... mon petit 4g63 va etre tellement leger a comparer...

Au moin 800 livres, cest completment debille, tout fait en fonte, mais y roulais tellement bien...

un gros trous...

Bon, mantenant le temp d'arracher tout le front end, encore un GROS weight savings...

Test kit du nouveau K frame Tubulaire RMS motorsports.. 41 ans pis le frame na pas tordu de un millimetre...

Bon, a ce point ici, mon stagiere ye tanner, pi moi aussi, on ferme le lumiere pi on lache ca pour la fin de semaine... une petit derniere photo...

More updates, shop wasnt to busy yesterday so I did some more work....

I dont know why i did this, im going to have to do it again after I paint the car.

Repainted the K frame, the powdercoat wast nice on this piece.

Bolted into place

Lower control arms

with coilover

spindles and brakes

Sway bar and Rack

MOAR!

Wheels fit

But not in the back, I want the back tire to be tucked in the wheel well, and thats not going to happen with this size of tire, so no im debating between mini tubbing or just doing a whole backhalf 4 link setup... I did get a chance to measure up the rear diff width, nothing stock is gonna work, i have to get something narrowed, so im thinking explorer 8.8...

Boring update of the week, i found someone on a local forum that wanted to trade his mickey thompson DR for a smaller pair, turns out i had the size he wanted, so no ive got a bigger pair! woohoo more traction! I have to do a mini tub anyways so why not...

used to be 275-60-15, now 325-50-15 or 28-13.5-15

Well Ive decided on my diff, ford explorer 8.8, found one localy for 250$ hihihi, comes with disk brakes and a 4.10 gear, which should be able to hit about 160mph in 3rd @ 8000rpm depending on converter and tranny slip, who knows....

Also found a local guy to narrow it, its going to be chopped almost 10 inches to fit the new tires, theres going to be alot of cutting in the body to make them fit, time to buy a plasma cutter!

here it is before the work , sandblast, paint etc...

HOLY SHIT THE AXLES ARE BIG! and they are only 31 spline, im setting up for 33.

:f pick with a standard talon axle... no more breaking parts woohoo! :f

thats about it for today.
HAPPY NEW YEARS BONNE ANNEE!

Boring update, Rear end is at my chassis guy to get narrowed, waiting for a big package from Moser, spool axles etc.

but some stuff showed up yesterday.

FRH intake, Old school i know, but i honestly cant belive this isnt made anymore, In my opinion one of the best designed intakes I have seen, I find the plenum small, so i will be building a new one, but the runner section is amazing.

Look at the transition and the size of the runners.

and then this showed up from Ron @ shearerfab. man he does good work

smooth....

thats about it , Im getting married this week end so things go on hold for a couple of weeks. but hopefully the rear end will be done and i can start tubbing the car.

News.... Im waiting to board a plane back to ottawa after a week long honeymoon in florida... Turns out some parts showed up from Moser at the shop for my hopefully bullit proof rear end...

New shortened 35 spline axles

Spool, axle ends (c-clip eliminator)

And diff cover with wheel lugs, input yolk and hardware..

I should have the diff back on thursday, then the cutting begins... With my new hypertherm plasma!!! Can wait to burn some metal!

When i get home im gonna post some pics of my trip to t
Titan Motorsports.... Lets just say it made me doubt my powerplant choice....

Small news, My diff is back! he did a great job, very happy. Has a 4.10 gear, spool, new axles yada yada yada...

pics

BIG NEWS THE TALON IS SOLD! so i have the money to order my TH400 transmission from Rossler! WOOHOOOOO :megadance

Big progress last weekend, started fitting my diff in the car, start by cutting out the wheel tubs to fit mini tubs in place...

This is what has to fit in there....

start cutting for the leaf spring relocation.

relocation kit welded in

lower the car over the diff and hope it fits...

the result...

from the back on the ground

Pushed it outside to get a better look...

JeffS · Post by **JeffS** » Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:42 pm

Love this project!!

can't wait to see more progress.

Thanks for sharing

Jeff

dees75z · Post by **dees75z** » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:16 pm

Awesome man!!! Can't wait to see more

77amc · Post by **77amc** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:57 pm

FANTASTIC MAN!!

It's getting warm down here and I'm chompin at the bit to get my Hornet going like yours..
Got some other stuff to finish first but MAN, your build gives me all sorts of plans.

There's a guy down here that basically lives in the middle of a Dogde/Chrysler junkyard that has all sorts of neat cars like yours.

Are you gonna go with mild-mannered dog dish hubcaps?
What about a drive shaft? Alloy or steel?

Just great build man..

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89coltgt · Post by **89coltgt** » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:51 pm

Looks really good, juming right in it! The new narrows rear/tire sizes really makes it lool mean. The mopar guys are gonna flip out when they see what's under the hood!

HPA · Post by **HPA** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 9:42 am

Big update, for me at least, My transmission is finaly here, went to pick it up at the border last night, Its a Rossler th400 with transbrake and a few extra goodies, Aluminum high gear drum, reverse pattern, Csr scatter sheild.... The guys over at Rossler were very nice over the phone, and they were the only ones out of the 7 companies i phoned that didnt laugh when i told them what it was going into. I hope it works as well as I hope.

Without the sheild

the sheild

Installed

B&M Pro Ratchet shifter, in black of course!

And I bought this, just cause my supplier had them in stock, and im sure they never will again, ARP Cam bolts, LOL totaly waste of money, but I like bling.

Now that the tranny is here the real fun begins time to start fab work, heres the begining of my FRH intake hybrid, q45 TB, I cut out the pattern with my plasma, worked out great.

Neat shots drilling the baseplate,

Materials

the idea,

MARTY CAGE!

Pre cutting

commin to life

Also bought some super sexy exhaust studs from ARP, yum...

And a dipstick for the tranny

More news to come.

89coltgt · Post by **89coltgt** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:55 pm

Looks good, I am using the same dipstick, very nice piece!

HPA · Post by **HPA** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:19 am

April Update, Well the shop is nuts right now, so "The Mutt" is on the back burner a bit, Plus my kid is starting to get her first Teeth, so lets just say its busy at home too.

I did Finish the intake manifold, Im very happy with how it turned out, Ive got the new magnus V# cast on order, just to compare results on the dyno, but whatever, here it is.

Also I did a first test fit of the engine, It has become painfully obvious that the stock front sump oil pan is not going to clear the rack and pinion, so Ive started to fab a rear sump pan..

I hope to get some free time this weekend, to drop it in and make some mounts....

JDOliver · Post by **JDOliver** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:34 pm

I believe this wins for the most awesome build thread.

I think everyone here would love to have that intake, looks like you could just flip it as built originally.

HPA · Post by **HPA** » Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:35 pm

thanks, and yes the intake can be flipped like the forester did originaly, but there would be firewall issues.

Matt Arruda · Post by **Matt Arruda** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:35 am

Looks great, I'm loving it. Where did you get the oil pan flange, or did you make it yourself? I am interested in purchasing one. Keep us posted on how the TH400 works out, also who is doing your stall converter?

HPA · Post by **HPA** » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:48 pm

I just cut it out of some 1?4 plate aluminum with a jigsaw, traced it from the stock pan, took about an hour. Im not sure who to use for the converter, Im thinking Coan, going to be an 8 inch with sprag.

Matt Arruda wrote:Looks great, I'm loving it. Where did you get the oil pan flange, or did you make it yourself? I am interested in purchasing one. Keep us posted on how the TH400 works out, also who is doing your stall converter?

89coltgt · Post by **89coltgt** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:52 am

Looks really nice Dan, keep the updates coming!!

HPA · Post by **HPA** » Wed May 04, 2011 10:32 am

Update. I was able to find a half hour free to finaly throw the engine in, I quickly fabbed a tranny moun and used a shim under the oilpan to support it, this is the final placement, I will start on the engine mounts soon,

So far things look good, lots of clearence on everything, I just need to double check drive line angles. Bare in mind the turbo is just sitting there for inspiration.

ramlinman · Post by **ramlinman** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:17 am

how are we doing?................

HPA · Post by **HPA** » Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:15 pm

WAY OVERDUE update, the shop has been crazy and my baby is now over a year old and quite the handfull, but my wife gave me the day off today to get some work done on "The Mutt"

First, time to fill the gigantic holes in the trunk with some wheel tubs... Big thanks to my buddy Yan who rolled me the fenders..

Sheet metal.

welded

tacked in

Now that the tubs are tacked in i will do the finish wleding at the shop on the hoist, im to old to work on the floor.

So I turned my attention to finaly mounting the turbo, so i built a stupid little rig to hold it in place...

here we go..

Well after a long day, I called it quits after 2 runners, Its a pain in the ass building this stuff!

But this is its finaly position

I hope to have more updates soon!
Later

77amc · Post by **77amc** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:06 pm

where did you get that intake flange?

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HPA · Post by **HPA** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 8:14 pm

Which one exactly, the lower part of the intake? Its an old school Forester racing soon to be for sale btw.

77amc wrote:where did you get that intake flange?

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NOWHEREMAN · Post by **NOWHEREMAN** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:22 pm

how are we coming along?

Post by **AustinTSI** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:16 am

Where did you get that exhaust flange ?

92 GSR-4 · Post by **92 GSR-4** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:59 pm

I'm betting that's a Shearer exhaust flange....looks great!

JMF Carries flanges also... http://www.jmfabrications.com/store/pro ... -Pipe.html

HPA · Post by **HPA** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:50 am

the head flange is from AMS the turbo colector is from Shearer

HPA · Post by **HPA** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:49 am

Jan 2012 update, Well It's been crazy busy lately, and I havent had time for an update in a loooooong time, Progess has been made, Im sure I am leaving alot out, the oil pan fab is done, so is the header, intercooler piping and rad mounting, then everything got taken out so It could head over to Pauls for some chassis work, heres a few pics.

Subframe connectors and rollcage mounts

Interior cage shot, will try to certify for 8.50's

What the trunk looks like, New wheel tubs, fuel cell and rear bars.

And something I found to inspire me, although It will never happen its nice to dream.

Thanks for looking
Dan
www.hpauto.ca

dees75z · Post by **dees75z** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:12 pm

Never say never sir

HPA · Post by **HPA** » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:25 am

Weight savings update, I had planned to buy a bunch of fiberglass parts for the car, theres a company in florida called AAR fiberglass that makes fenders, hoods and bumpers for my car, the fenders are 399$ each plus shipping from florida and the bullshit at the border, Found these on Kijiji, cost me 125 for the pair, plus 80$ gas and a 13$ subsciption to Sirius so I could listen to Howard Stern on the 8 hour drive and not fall asleep...

old fender 25.6 pounds
New fender 10 pounds
31.2 pounds saved
900$ + dollars saved, was a good day
They in great condition and made by AAR too!

HPA · Post by **HPA** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:51 pm

Small victory today, got The Mutt running! There's still a million things left to do but it's nice to hear it kick over!

No the exhaust isn't staying like that, yes I know the water pump isn't turning and yes I know the wiring is a mess, one thing at time

http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv62 ... C16CB6.mp4

HPA · Post by **HPA** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:51 pm

Got the exhaust done this week

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quicktalon11s · Post by **quicktalon11s** » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:59 am

What happened? I noticed some of your nice parts for sale. On to bigger and badder things?