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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:56 am  Reply with quote
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Can someone confirm this for me? it looks like a real squeeze!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:03 am  Reply with quote
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Yes, it fits.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:20 pm  Reply with quote
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i boltd it all up today but the starter doesnt engage the flywheel... are auto and manual starters not the same?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:08 am  Reply with quote
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anyone??? i need to sort this asap
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 1:18 pm  Reply with quote
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If you need such a fast response, why dont you tell us what parts you are using?

What's the starter from, the block, the transmission, the flywheel? What are the US equivalents and what years? Is it a wideblock setup or a narrow block?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:09 pm  Reply with quote
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US it will be a 1G or maybe you call it a GVR4?, it's a '91 the last of that shape here, I'm using D50 trans,narrow block, 1G Flywheel, Auto 1G starter.. I'm hoping that if i buy and bolt up a manual starter it will work?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 6:37 pm  Reply with quote
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after doing some research it looks like our GVR4 flywheels are slightyly smaller than the DSM ones (5mm or so)

I'm really not too keen to take the engine/gearbox out again so i may end up maiking an adaptor plate of some sort or find a starter with a bigger pinion.... any idea of a starter that will bolt up with a bigger pinion? that would just be too easy
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:33 pm  Reply with quote
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im a little confused on this aswell.the FWD DSM flywheel is bigger than the AWD flywheel.so how is it the are both compatable with the mm tranny. i know first hand you cant use a FWD flywheel on an AWD tranny wont fit and the other way around the starter doesnt mesh properly. so witch one works please
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:38 pm  Reply with quote
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Interesting. Can you find some links and maybe photos? I could definatly be wrong here. I always heard it was the thickness of the flywheel (the distance from the crank to the pressure plate) that was different. Pictures and measurements woudl be really helpful.

Are the starters the same? Could this be solved using a different starter?

I know for a fact that my 90 FWD Manual DSM flywheel went together fantasticly with my D50 tranny.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:59 pm  Reply with quote
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This is what i'm basing my assumptions on

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~onnzo/tranny.html
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:00 am  Reply with quote
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I'm thinking maybe a wideblock starter? or are they the same aswell?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:47 pm  Reply with quote
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the starters are the same on awd and fwd its the plate the goes between the motor and tranny is whats different but i think AT and MT use different starters ill see if i can get pisc of everything and send them to you DJ
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:07 pm  Reply with quote
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So I picked it up and took it home and prepared to put it in... BUT I had not known about the flywheel at this stage! I had a GVR4 flywheel but when that was put in with the new starter mounting plate - it wouldn't line up Sad So I had to source a FWD Turbo DSM Flywheel from the states as it had a larger overall diameter (about 5mm) to allow the starter to actually reach the ring gear and crank the motor!

The top left is the FWD DSM Flywheel (thanks to jmauld from 4g61t.com for sending it to me!) The one to the right of it is the stock VR4 flywheel that is too small in overall diameter for the km210 bell housing. Below that is the stock CB 1.6 n/a 4g61 GSR flywheel (215mm and non stepped) and to the left of that is a stock 4g61t 4WD Mirage/Colt GT flwheel (exactly the same size as the GVR4 one)




Looks like you might be on to something. Has anyone ever used a 4WD flywheel with the narrow block KM132? Is there info on the site that will need to be changed to clear things up in the future?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:10 am  Reply with quote
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Yeah dont use a AWD flywheel
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:55 am  Reply with quote
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So I'm trying to correct this without pulling the gearbox out again, and buying a new flywheel.

At the moment I have the guts out of the starter and I'm looking for another assembly with a bigger pinion that I can transplant into the mitsu casing so it will bolt up.

I'm determine to find a solution for this, so will keep you all posted..
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:28 am  Reply with quote
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I used an AWD flywheel, but when you put the sandwich plate up to the bell housing the starter bolts were out. i had to plug and redrill the starter bolt holes, and if you are using a cable clutch the throwout bearing needs to be about 8mm longer, you will find you are on the last of the clutch adj' to get the clutch to work properly and you do loose the right mechanical advantage angle in the pull as well. i have sent you a PM. tritons i know upside down now so ask me what you want and then we can post good info for others.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:03 pm  Reply with quote
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Yeah the auto plate (which i have) is different so lined up with the RWD gearbox.. what gearbox are you using?

I have looked into it and the starter from a 2.5 diesel mitsu engine might work.. it has 10 teeth and still 105mm between the holes
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:05 am  Reply with quote
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vr4 manual plate, and a tranny case out of L200 express that been machined to suit the starion guts.
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I just had a fwd turbo DSM flywheel fit with a pilot bearing. I am trying to put this on a 4g63 wideblock with a 87 starion transmission. What plate and starter might I be able to use to get this to work? Or is this hopeless?
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